Engineering Info?

MegaDaanish
Posted: 7:11AM November 16, 2011 UTC
Hey guys, I just wanted to know that which university would be good to apply for aerospace engineering? since on the ouac a min of 3 unis needed to be applied so does anyone have any recommendations for 3 unis for aerospace in Ontario?
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 16, 2011 UTC
There are only three that offer it. 
University of Toronto - Engineering Science
Carleton University - Aerospace Engineering
Ryerson University - Aerospace Engineering

That's your three right there.
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ktel
Posted: 7:11AM November 16, 2011 UTC
^ What he said. RMC is a great school to go to for engineering if you're interested in the military at all.
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 16, 2011 UTC
@ktel wrote
^ What he said. RMC is a great school to go to for engineering if you're interested in the military at all.



NO. Do not do this. 
If you get the army to pay for your school, they'll do it - but you'll need to give them 2 years for every year they pay for. It's guaranteed work, sure, but it's forced guaranteed work. 
Friend of mine resorted to doing this. Was taking Philosophy at U of T. Couldn't afford it, took a year off because of health stuff, joined the military and they said they'd do it in exchange for 2 years per 1 year at school. 
Only do this as a last resort. 
Ryerson has a fine aerospace program.
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iliketurtles
Posted: 7:11AM November 16, 2011 UTC
@rightsaidfred wrote

@ktel wrote
^ What he said. RMC is a great school to go to for engineering if you're interested in the military at all.



NO. Do not do this. 
If you get the army to pay for your school, they'll do it - but you'll need to give them 2 years for every year they pay for. It's guaranteed work, sure, but it's forced guaranteed work. 
Friend of mine resorted to doing this. Was taking Philosophy at U of T. Couldn't afford it, took a year off because of health stuff, joined the military and they said they'd do it in exchange for 2 years per 1 year at school. 
Only do this as a last resort. 
Ryerson has a fine aerospace program.



I hope you realize some people actually WANT to be in the military, not saying OP does but you make it seem like going to RMC ruins your life or something lol
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
Joining the army really does ruin your life. 
All I said was exactly what you said - unless you WANT to join the army, the idea of having your school paid for is bad. If you just want free education, you won't get it - they pay, and you HAVE to give them something back. 
If you want that and don't mind being in the army, then by all means, go for it.
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iliketurtles
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
Weird how every male in my family has been in the army, yet not one of them seems to have had their life ruined by it.
Yes, unless you WANT to join the army, don't go to RMC, but your post made it seem like you already assumed that the OP doesn't want to join or has no interest of joining the army, which is the only thing I saw wrong with your post
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
>Weird how every male in my family has been in the army, yet not one of them seems to have had their life ruined by it.

Joining the army is a death sentence. By definition. Death ruins your life. By definition. 
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iliketurtles
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
Too bad none of them died, and there are many people who join the army and don't die.  
That's for the people who are willing to die for whatever cause to decide, not you.
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
> and there are many people who join the army and don't die. 
That does not have anything to do with the fact, nor change the fact, that every single person in the army (including cooks and toilet cleaners) can be called on to fight a war and put their lives on the line if they are told to.

Army is a death wish by definition.
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iliketurtles
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
Yes, but why would you join the army if you weren't willing to take the risks?  No one is asking you to join the army (except a recruiter) and you have every right to say no, so why do you make it seem like it's such a bad idea to want to join the army?  Everyone who joins the army knows there's the risk of dying, but they do it anyways willingly, so why are you condemning their choices?
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
I wasn't condemning their choices. I was just saying it was a death wish. :)

For the OP, I told him it was a bad idea UNLESS he WANTED to. 
So I dunno what you're arguing me about.
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iliketurtles
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
No, you only told OP it was a bad idea, no "unless", just "NO. Dont do this"
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
You are wrong. The proof of why you are wrong is left as an exercise to the reader.
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g93
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
rightsaidfred, I'm guessing that you assume everyone in the military goes over to war-torn countries and shoot people and get shot by members of radical militant groups? It's pretty clear that you have no idea what you're talking about, so it'd be best if you didn't say anything.

The RMC is a great school. The military isn't all bad (ask ARMY 101).  
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ktel
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
rightsaidfred, you sound incredibly ignorant. I know many people in the air force, and while it is possible to get called to war, they spend a lot of their time on less dangerous deployments to Europe or the US. RMC is a GREAT option if you can't afford your education. Yes you have to give a few years of service afterwards, but you get your university paid for and then you're guaranteed a job afterwards. Plus if you want to be an astronaut and are male, you should probably go to RMC and learn how to fly a plane and be an engineer.
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ktel
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
Here are some bios of some current astronaut candidates:

http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/astronauts/recruitment/biographies.asp

A lot of them have pilot's licences, several are in the military as pilots, many went to RMC. A recent documentary I watched showcasing pilot training in Cold Lake consisted almost completely of RMC grads.

This gives you some info on being a pilot in the military:

http://www.forces.ca/en/job/pilot-32

I don't think RMC specifically has an air force training program, you would go to RMC, and then separately apply for the air force.

To the OP, keep in mind UTIAS is for grad school only.
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
@ktel wrote
rightsaidfred, you sound incredibly ignorant. I know many people in the air force, and while it is possible to get called to war, they spend a lot of their time on less dangerous deployments to Europe or the US. RMC is a GREAT option if you can't afford your education. Yes you have to give a few years of service afterwards, but you get your university paid for and then you're guaranteed a job afterwards. Plus if you want to be an astronaut and are male, you should probably go to RMC and learn how to fly a plane and be an engineer.


1. I speak from experience or because I talk to people who have experience. 
2. My arguments are all sound and logical. Joining the army is a death wish. Just because not everybody does dangerous missions does not change the fact that when you join the army, you are putting your life on the line if necessary. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. You have to sign a contract saying this. 
3. "A few years" is 2 years of service for every 1 year of school paid. 
4. There are no more astronauts. Canada has no space industry, and NASA's entire shuttle fleet has been retired. Obama also cut NASA's funding. If you want to be an astronaut, your best bet is to build a time machine and travel back in time to 1969.
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EngStudent741
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
@rightsaidfred wrote

@ktel wrote
rightsaidfred, you sound incredibly ignorant. I know many people in the air force, and while it is possible to get called to war, they spend a lot of their time on less dangerous deployments to Europe or the US. RMC is a GREAT option if you can't afford your education. Yes you have to give a few years of service afterwards, but you get your university paid for and then you're guaranteed a job afterwards. Plus if you want to be an astronaut and are male, you should probably go to RMC and learn how to fly a plane and be an engineer.


1. I speak from experience or because I talk to people who have experience. 
2. My arguments are all sound and logical. Joining the army is a death wish. Just because not everybody does dangerous missions does not change the fact that when you join the army, you are putting your life on the line if necessary. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. You have to sign a contract saying this. 
3. "A few years" is 2 years of service for every 1 year of school paid. 
4. There are no more astronauts. Canada has no space industry, and NASA's entire shuttle fleet has been retired. Obama also cut NASA's funding. If you want to be an astronaut, your best bet is to build a time machine and travel back in time to 1969.




1. What makes your people any more correct than the people anyone else talks to? And even if they are, does that mean that their opinions are correct for every single person in the army?

2. Agreeing to potentially put your life on the line is NOT the same as having a death wish. Again, you're generalising what you've heard from a few people to apply to the entire army, which is ridiculous.

4. There are still astronauts. Through NASA, through other space agencies, and now private companies. On this one you're just wrong.
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ktel
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
@rightsaidfred wrote

@ktel wrote
rightsaidfred, you sound incredibly ignorant. I know many people in the air force, and while it is possible to get called to war, they spend a lot of their time on less dangerous deployments to Europe or the US. RMC is a GREAT option if you can't afford your education. Yes you have to give a few years of service afterwards, but you get your university paid for and then you're guaranteed a job afterwards. Plus if you want to be an astronaut and are male, you should probably go to RMC and learn how to fly a plane and be an engineer.


1. I speak from experience or because I talk to people who have experience. 
2. My arguments are all sound and logical. Joining the army is a death wish. Just because not everybody does dangerous missions does not change the fact that when you join the army, you are putting your life on the line if necessary. I don't see what's so hard to understand here. You have to sign a contract saying this. 
3. "A few years" is 2 years of service for every 1 year of school paid. 
4. There are no more astronauts. Canada has no space industry, and NASA's entire shuttle fleet has been retired. Obama also cut NASA's funding. If you want to be an astronaut, your best bet is to build a time machine and travel back in time to 1969.




You literally have no clue what you're talking about.

1. And my experience with people in the military means nothing?
2. Yes, you are agreeing to go to war if necessary. I agree with this, but wouldn't phrase it as a "death wish"
3. "A few years" is 2 months service for every 1 month subsidized schooling. So not quite 2 years per 1 year, but close. It would work out to 5 years of service for a 4 year degree
4. There is still an International Space Station, there are still astronauts going there (via the Russians), space exploration is not finished.
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
<br>You literally have no clue what you're talking about.

1. And my experience with people in the military means nothing?
2. Yes, you are agreeing to go to war if necessary. I agree with this, but wouldn't phrase it as a "death wish"
3. "A few years" is 2 months service for every 1 month subsidized schooling. So not quite 2 years per 1 year, but close. It would work out to 5 years of service for a 4 year degree
4. There is still an International Space Station, there are still astronauts going there (via the Russians), space exploration is not finished.<br><br>

1. Correct. Because you have no idea what you're talking about. You aren't addressing my argument, which is a fact. You're arguing as if I'm making a different point. This is called a straw man argument. 

2. Well that's what it is.

3. Oooh someone can read wikipedia!

4. The international space station has 6 to 10 people living on it at every given time. THe market for astronauts is more competitive than it is for acting. Also, the ISS is being decomissioned by 2030. Nasa is essentially defunct. 
Chances are, you are not going to be an astronaut. 
FYI, Bill Nye (yes, Bill Nye the Science Guy) applies to be an astronaut every few years but always gets rejected. What makes you think you, or this other guy, would get in?

You are giving people false hope because you are taught that following your dreams gets you somewhere. You're too concerned with "someone CAN do this" or "someone CAN do that" that you don't realize that it's a waste of time to do THIS or THAT just because you like it or think it may come to reality. 

I'm not replying to you any more because you are pure and simply wrong in everything you say. 
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ktel
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
I never denied it's difficult to be an astronaut, and I don't want to be an astronaut, but it is possible. I have worked closely with a former Canadian astronaut on a project and picked his brain about the process and his viewpoint on the future of space exploration. Just because NASA isn't sending humans into space doesn't mean its role as a research center is eliminated. If you look at the bios of astronauts you will realize you pretty much need a PhD and an MD and a pilot's licence, at least, so no wonder Bill Nye isn't an astronaut yet.

You're simply arrogant, ignorant, and inexperienced.
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imaginaryengineer
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
<br> You are giving people false hope because you are taught that following your dreams gets you somewhere <br><br>

The whole astronaut thing might not work out but being motivated and attaining a degree in engineering because of that dream.....sounds worthwhile
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rightsaidfred
Posted: 7:11AM November 17, 2011 UTC
@imaginaryengineer wrote
<br> You are giving people false hope because you are taught that following your dreams gets you somewhere <br><br>

The whole astronaut thing might not work out but being motivated and attaining a degree in engineering because of that dream.....sounds worthwhile



Whoa. I never said it wouldn't. 
I said it was a GREAT idea to pursue an engineering degree - you're practically guaranteed a good paying job if you manage to actually graduate. 
I told him to not go to the Royal Military College UNLESS he was prepared/wanted to be in the army for a while. 
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