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Advice to high schoolers: Think carefully before you pursue a BA or BSc Degree

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http://forums.redflagdeals.com/2015-university-grads-how-does-future-look-1711445

http://www.universityaffairs.ca/opinion/the-black-hole/the-truly-bleak-job-prospects-for-young-scientists-in-the-life-sciences

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/recent-university-grads-increasingly-jobless-study-shows/article20357775

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/08/26/the-value-of-education-is-dropping-fast-for-university-graduates

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/why-are-so-many-of-canada-s-young-people-out-of-work-1.1370260

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/08/30/ontario-students-have-high-tuition-high-unemployment

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/careers-f58

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/graduated-electrical-engineering-but-have-no-job-1699831

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/why-jobs-so-hard-find-year-1729063/

Take the time to read through these if you want to be informed about how the job market is for new university graduates. Most BA and BSc holders cannot find work, they have to resort to doing jobs that pay just a little above minimum wage. In case you don't make it into professional school, which has less than 10% acceptance rates, consider what other career opportunities are available to you with your chosen degree path? Why are you going to university in the first place? Who is financing your education? What do you hope to make out of your degree?


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So what should we pursue? Besides accounting, nursing, engineering?
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computer science.. finance
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Business, finance and accounting are over saturated as well. Almost as bad as arts or science. Everyone wants to be investment bankers or actuaries or want to work for the big 4 and now all these people are going into business and are coming out with trouble finding jobs. Nursing and engineering are secure jobs
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agree with the first half
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Such depressing stats but I agree it is a fact that business is over saturated.  
Though I don't think engineering should be consider "secure" jobs now, if you look at the newest report from OSPE report on unemployment of engineers, it is quite high. 
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wow, had no idea eng students were having trouble finding jobs now! Thanks for the update. Im realizing that alot of people are resorting to engineering because it used to be such an "in demand" position but i guess its beginning to become saturated as well. good to know
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I thought almost all jobs in the medical field were secure? Not just nursing?
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Do what you love, put in the work, and with a little bit of luck you should be okay.
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Matt Jones, you're the man bro. Amen.
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So basically we're all f*cked
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There is medical school, doctors are always needed.
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Do you know how competitive medical school is?
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Very, but that doesn't mean that no one should try.
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But don't we need more doctors because all of the baby boomers are getting old and more sick??
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This is why we need nurses to care for them, not doctors. Many med students can't find residencies in Canada.

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That would only be a short boost
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All med students can find residencies, its just that some who studied abroad can't. Like if you go outside of North America its difficult to find residency. Also, some surgical specialties are oversaturated but most doctors are fine.
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I guess the good thing about university is that you can always change your major right? But it still sucks when your passion in the arts or sciences fails to land you a job.
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There's also the whole situation of all that time and money that gets wasted with changing majors
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business is not over saturated... There are job opportunities all over the world. You need to get out of your comfort zone. Plus, you need to continue your education, an undergrad is not going to cut it
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oversaturated with kids from ryerson, brock, guelph etc..
top b-school grads should have no trouble finding jobs if they have co-op, internships, etc..
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Study what you want to study for the sole purpose of learning. 

If you like science, go into it. If you like the arts, go into it. 

I thought it was common that most people go to Grad school after anyways. 

Do what you want, don't do what others want you to do. 

Peace mudda fukkas
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This advice is good, if you're ok with living a life full of debt.
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good advice. 0/10
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Most people aren't able to go to graduate school. It's highly competitive because due to the volatile job market, everyone is going back to university to do a masters or get into a professional program. It's not as easy as saying, oh forget my BSc, I'll just go to med school after. Or my BA in English doesn't matter because I'll just go to law school after.

Graduate schools are accepting only a few hundred people, while rejecting thousands of applications. People need a suitable backup in case this happens. Not to mention a lot of people burnout after 4 years in university or have too much debt that they are not willing to incur more.

I notice a difference between this forum and others such as redflagdeals, lawstudents and premed101. These latter forums are very realistic, will straight up tell you whether you have a good shot for grad school or whether a certain degree is a good idea. But this forum, all these high schoolers are naively optimistic, saying do what you love, you'll be successful. This is true for some, but untrue for many others.

P.S. I completed the Arts & Science degree at McMaster because I love both areas and am struggling now to find work. Applying to various grad schools, hoping I can be one of the lucky ones to squeeze my way in.



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I am attending university, and really what it comes down to, is that technical jobs are the only real "secure" jobs in todays society.

More and more people are attending university for business, engineering, nursing, etc. but its starting to be only the top students getting very secure jobs directly after graduation.

Want a secure, decent-paying job? Become a plumber, electrican, or HVAC technician. The job market for these positions are incredible.
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Doctors will always find jobs don't know who said that but its not true. You don't always have to be your general family physician you could specialize or just do research for cures for diseases like Aids, etc.
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Doctors will find jobs if they are willing to relocate to smaller cities outside the GTA. I said that medical students were finding it difficult to secure residencies. The spots are limited.

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Finding a job isn't the hard part. It's getting into med school. The pricey tuition fees and number of students trying to get in is discouraging when the acceptance rate is so low.
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It is good to dream big however it is great to think realistically.
What do you want to do or be? Good or Great? Be a dreamer or a thinker?
It's in your hands.
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This was a great post. Very informative. Many students get these degrees because they think that following your "passions" and only settling for that one dream job is the only way to having a happy, successful life. You have to think realistically about what you should do and understand that "following your passions" won't automatically land you a high paying job. Many students have the opportunity to obtain valuable degrees, but out of fear, they choose not to because they think it will lead them to having a career that they are not passionate about. Steve Jobs was never passionate about technology at first, he just saw an opportunity and took it. He developed his passion for technology afterwards.
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If your science program includes coop, this post is irrelevant because me and a few friends in my program just got offered jobs from our employers...
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Can you elaborate further on your program and school? Some science coop programs like toxicology at Guelph or Food sciences are very practical and oriented towards pursuing a career in the field. As well, what type of jobs and pay did you receive?

However the majority of science programs such as life science, health science and medical science, even with coop are useless undergraduate programs. Unless you'll be happy standing in a lab all day.



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Hahaha you named it! Toxicology at guelph. And I completely agree with you when you say they're more specific and science majors that are specific are usually the ones that offer coop. You won't find bio or chemistry or health science with coop. I tried finding a biomedical science type program with coop and there's almost none. My coop was at the Public Health Agency of Canada as a quality control check for different meats, poultry and food products for different types of toxins and bacteria. I was payed $26.00 an hour as a student but I will be payed more if I decide to go into the program after I graduate. And with a few years of experience, a promotion to a supervisor position will be avalible which pays very well if the position is avalible. Let me re state my opinion in saying more focused science majors are very useful but your post is accurate in describing more general majors
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Good for you! A lot of high schoolers on this forum downgrade Guelph but they don't know how good the coop is for specialized science programs there.
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What about pharmacy?
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Pharmacy is very good
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Pharmacy is good if you're willing to relocate to smaller cities. There is an oversaturation in this field as well.

http://forums.premed101.com/index.php?/topic/80300-oversaturation-in-canada

http://forums.premed101.com/index.php?/topic/70918-is-pharmacy-worth-it-or-change-paths/

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/is-pharmacy-oversaturated-in-canada.845842

http://www.reddit.com/r/pharmacy/comments/1q9x4s/is_pharmacy_really_over_saturated

If you type in google, Pharmacy saturation in Canada, you will find a LOT of information on this.



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What about a BA in economics? Is that a useful degree?
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I recently spoke with a close fiend of mine who is pursuing a masters in economics. Although it's one of the more useful degrees in arts, due to the heavy math component and the ability to go into finance and market analysis, there are too many people with economics degrees. There are too many BA and BSc degree holders, so the econ degree has also become devalued. A few bank tellers I spoke with had economics degree and that was the only job they could get. I don't think you even need a degree to be a bank teller.


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Any degree can pretty much land you a job if you have the right work experience. If you got good grades, did a lot of ECs and landed a decent summer job like in a bank or big firm, you'll be able to move your way up. What you study doesn't matter, its what you do once you are in uni that really matters. Everyone in high school seems to be looking for the "degree that guarantees you a job". But in reality you have to put in work at somepoint, either you put it in in uni like for pre-meds or you put it in later when you work at mcdonalds or you put it in in uni and land a good job in downtown toronto. Face it, no one makes it anywhere without honest to goodness hard work. The earlier you put in the work the better your life is later on.
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How hard is it to get a 3.8+ GPA in university? I am a pre-med.
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3.8+ means that you got an 85+ in every course. It is brutally difficult, like the top 2% in university achieve that GPA.

Class averages are in the C to C+ range, so 2.0- 2.3.

B- = 2.7       
B  =  3.0
B+ = 3.3
A- = 3.7

York an 80+ would be a 3.8 because an 80-89 is an A at that school. Which is why a lot of people go there for an easier GPA.
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