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If you guys had to choose between McGill, Queen's and Ivey, which one would you choose?

Personal Pros for McGill:
- Great City
- Solid Program
- McGill Reputation
- Diverse
- Learn French (want to go to into Politics after)
- More Respected by the U.S. (where I want to work)
- Exchange!

Personal Cons for McGill:
- Not McGill's Flagship program
- Program is not as well known
- Hard to find a job at Montreal without being fluent in French
- Queen's and Ivey has better recruiters

Personal Pros for Queen's:
- Best Direct-entry Undergrad Business Program
- Offered 10K in financial assistance
- Better Recruitment Opportunities than McGill
- Love Exchange Options
- Love Goodes Hall makes me feel special hehe (A)

Personal Cons for Queen's:
- Not Diverse at all
- Home of the Private School Kids
- Montreal better city than Kingston

Personal Pros for Western
- Best Undergrad Business Program for Finance (what I want to do)
- Endless opportunities/recruiting
- Best U.S. recruiting
- Social/Partying Environment
- Case Study Method more suitable for me, I love to talk
- My family personally knows the President/Vice-Chancellor of Western
- Londons a neat city :) better than Kingston

Personal Cons for Western
- After working so hard in high school.. I don't want to do just Econ
- Not exposed to networking opportunities 1st and 2nd year
- I might lose my motivation by not doing business right away
- Montreal is a better city
- 4th year exchange, biggest turn off! That's when we are going to be looking for jobs

Where should I go based on my circumstances guys ? It's all up to you.
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A photo of gassergasser gassergasser
If I were in your position I would choose Queen's.

Actually Mcgill sounds good too.
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Queens man,

i hear there are a lot of private school kids, but you will find your own group (niche) and will be fine. (From what i hear from people that go there)
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Thanks for your input guys, but can you guys specifically tell me why Queen's?
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Just so you know, recruiters for Ivey actually come 3rd year. Although, they are of course only recruiting for internships. BUT, if you intern them during the summer after 3rd year, and do a good job, they'll obviously like you and be interested in hiring you next year. Fourth year, I believe they come (someone correct me if I'm wrong) like early in the year. September-ish. Thus, you can do a term abroad, because the recruiters come before you leave.


In your circumstances, if you seriously want to do politics, you'll need French, so go to McGill. If you think you can get by without using French, go to Ivey. If you can't maintain an 80 average in the first 2 years, you don't deserve to be in any business school, tbh. It's worth it. Especially because that learning style appeals to you (case method).
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@goldmansachs wrote
Thanks for your input guys, but can you guys specifically tell me why Queen's?



You can pretty much do anything at QC and its GOOD for all of them. Finance (Wall and bay street placements),accounting (highest UFE rate along with schulich), consulting( known for consulting along with ivey) , marketing, on and on..

im leaning towards QC as well!
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@mvplayur wrote
Fourth year, I believe they come (someone correct me if I'm wrong) like early in the year. September-ish. Thus, you can do a term abroad, because the recruiters come before you leave.



For real? Can anyone confirm this? And thanks a lot for the info. But honestly if what you said is true ^, then that's so sick because that was one of the reasons Ivey was a turn off for me.
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@apark17 wrote

You can pretty much do anything at QC and its GOOD for all of them. Finance (Wall and bay street placements),accounting (highest UFE rate along with schulich), consulting( known for consulting along with ivey) , marketing, on and on..

im leaning towards QC as well!



You're so right, what do you want to do? Queen's doesn't place that well in the U.S. for finance while Ivey does pretty well there, wouldn't you agree? But Queen's did give pretty good money and they have a lot of opportunities there so I'm considering them for sure. Love the school spirit as well, good luck with your decision.
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@goldmansachs wrote

@apark17 wrote

You can pretty much do anything at QC and its GOOD for all of them. Finance (Wall and bay street placements),accounting (highest UFE rate along with schulich), consulting( known for consulting along with ivey) , marketing, on and on..

im leaning towards QC as well!



You're right, what do you want to do? Queen's does place that well in the U.S. while Ivey does pretty well there, would you agree?



Id say IVEY>QC for wall street, but i'm sure if your at the top of the class at qc you will be fine. Do you like the 2+2? how about case studies? campuses? social life? (queens does a mix of traditional and case studies for their courses.)

good luck making your choice!
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@apark17 wrote


Id say IVEY>QC for wall street, but i'm sure if your at the top of the class at qc you will be fine. Do you like the 2+2? how about case studies? campuses? social life? (queens does a mix of traditional and case studies for their courses.)

good luck making your choice!



Yeah but I also have to be realistic like going straight to NY is very tough, and I gotta have something that the Ivy league kids don't have, but yeah Ivey will provide me with the best chance.

I don't like 2+2 tbh, it sucks but I've heard that people who went through the process appreciate it now so I don't know. I like case studies, but not only case studies I prefer both. I visited McGill and Queen's, did not visit Western but I like all of the campuses so campus isn't an issue for me. Yeah man good luck with your decision too.
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@goldmansachs wrote
If you guys had to choose between McGill, Queen's and Ivey, which one would you choose?


Personal Cons for Queen's:
- Not Diverse at all


Personal Pros for Western
- Social/Partying Environment
- Case Study Method more suitable for me, I love to talk

Personal Cons for Western
- 4th year exchange, biggest turn off! That's when we are going to be looking for jobs

Where should I go based on my circumstances guys ? It's all up to you.




Firsts of all, Queen's is diverse - as for the commerce program, about 1/2 of its students are visible minorities.

Western Social/Partying environment? You obviously haven't been to McGill or Queen's. All three schools have great "party" atmospheres. It makes me think that you're a big loser if you really have to consider "party" environment in choosing a school. Every school has a party scene....

You love to talk so case study method is more suitable for you? Kid, I could show you some of the case frameworks from HBA1 this year, but none of it involves talking, so I have no clue what "case study" you're talking about. If you're talking about Ivey having class participation marks... Other schools have it too.

4th year exchange - If you were competent enough to get a decent job in summer after your junior year, you will have received a full time offer, so you pretty much don't give a screwabout anything in 4th year. Also, Full time recruiting is done in september october. Provided that your exchange is in 2nd semester, what's there to worry? Ivey perfectly understands hiring cycles, so high school kids like you don't have to worry about it.

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I think with Ivey and Queen's, it's really your personal preference. Both schools are pretty much equal in terms of education and will both give you more than enough skills to become successful.

I'm choosing Ivey since Western's atmosphere was better.
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@BSchoolMaster wrote

Firsts of all, Queen's is diverse - as for the commerce program, about 1/2 of its students are visible minorities.

/b]

Queen's is not diverse. I asked students that go there, and they at least have the competent vision to realize that the school is clearly not diverse. I don't really care that much, it's not a major con, I just prefer diversity.



@BSchoolMaster wrote
Western Social/Partying environment? You obviously haven't been to McGill or Queen's. All three schools have great "party" atmospheres. It makes me think that you're a big loser if you really have to consider "party" environment in choosing a school. Every school has a party scene....



Oh C'mon...Western is a clear winner out of the three you know that. What I meant by that is I'll get to screw around more in my first two years because of my lighter course load which is always nice.


@BSchoolMaster wrote

You love to talk so case study method is more suitable for you? Kid, I could show you some of the case frameworks from HBA1 this year, but none of it involves talking, so I have no clue what "case study" you're talking about. If you're talking about Ivey having class participation marks... Other schools have it too.

/b]

Grandpa, in Ivey's case based teaching you're going to be discussing a lot more in class than any other undergraduate business program. Sometimes discussions will be about the cases, sometimes it won't but generally I just meant I prefer the case based teaching more.


@BSchoolMaster wrote

4th year exchange - If you were competent enough to get a decent job in summer after your junior year, you will have received a full time offer, so you pretty much don't give a screwabout anything in 4th year. Also, Full time recruiting is done in september october. Provided that your exchange is in 2nd semester, what's there to worry? Ivey perfectly understands hiring cycles, so high school kids like you don't have to worry about it.



^That was proper info, thanks.

But you still didn't tell me where I should go? I would really like to know what you have to say since you are a university student.
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Honestly, if you want to do investment banking, Ivey is really your only choice. Otherwise, choose between Ivey and Queen's... doesn't really matter. In reality, both are great schools and choose the better fit for you.

Goldman Sachs dude says the fourth year exchange is a downside. In actuality, most people have FT jobs lined up by then, so they can just go abroad and enjoy themselves -- its really more of a plus.

In terms of atmosphere, I would definitely say Westerns atmosphere is tops. Kingston only has like 2 bars/clubs. London has like 7 or 8 bars/clubs that are packed every friday + saturday. I love Western personally. If you want to drink, theres something to do on weekends. If you don't want to drink, there's still tons of fun stuff to do -- you don't have to sit at home watching himym reruns.

It seems that the reason some of my friends picked Queen's over Ivey is that they were scared that they wouldn't keep the 80. The 80 isn't hard but it also isn't easy. If you don't fuk around and hit the bars on Tuesdays, and you're actually smart, you'll do fine.
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Queens sounds like the right fit for you. If you haven't chosen it already.
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@ceeps wrote
Honestly, if you want to do investment banking, Ivey is really your only choice. Otherwise, choose between Ivey and Queen's... doesn't really matter. In reality, both are great schools and choose the better fit for you.

Goldman Sachs dude says the fourth year exchange is a downside. In actuality, most people have FT jobs lined up by then, so they can just go abroad and enjoy themselves -- its really more of a plus.

In terms of atmosphere, I would definitely say Westerns atmosphere is tops. Kingston only has like 2 bars/clubs. London has like 7 or 8 bars/clubs that are packed every friday + saturday. I love Western personally. If you want to drink, theres something to do on weekends. If you don't want to drink, there's still tons of fun stuff to do -- you don't have to sit at home watching himym reruns.

It seems that the reason some of my friends picked Queen's over Ivey is that they were scared that they wouldn't keep the 80. The 80 isn't hard but it also isn't easy. If you don't fuk around and hit the bars on Tuesdays, and you're actually smart, you'll do fine.



off the top of my head:

QP, Alfies, Grant Hall pub, elysium (legendz) ale house, spot, stages, grizzly bear, the brass, ......... 2 bars/clubs yeah right lol... ale, spot, stage...all great bet for your thursday, friday, and saturday night outs. ceeps u've obvs never been to kingston if you think london is great.
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goldmansachs, go to Western Ivey so we have a chance to meet each other, develop a strong friendship and forge a powerful business alliance :cat:.
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From hearing, or reading, why you would wanna go to each school, it sounds like McGill is the best fit.
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@BSchoolMaster wrote

@ceeps wrote
Honestly, if you want to do investment banking, Ivey is really your only choice. Otherwise, choose between Ivey and Queen's... doesn't really matter. In reality, both are great schools and choose the better fit for you.

Goldman Sachs dude says the fourth year exchange is a downside. In actuality, most people have FT jobs lined up by then, so they can just go abroad and enjoy themselves -- its really more of a plus.

In terms of atmosphere, I would definitely say Westerns atmosphere is tops. Kingston only has like 2 bars/clubs. London has like 7 or 8 bars/clubs that are packed every friday + saturday. I love Western personally. If you want to drink, theres something to do on weekends. If you don't want to drink, there's still tons of fun stuff to do -- you don't have to sit at home watching himym reruns.

It seems that the reason some of my friends picked Queen's over Ivey is that they were scared that they wouldn't keep the 80. The 80 isn't hard but it also isn't easy. If you don't fuk around and hit the bars on Tuesdays, and you're actually smart, you'll do fine.



off the top of my head:

QP, Alfies, Grant Hall pub, elysium (legendz) ale house, spot, stages, grizzly bear, the brass, ......... 2 bars/clubs yeah right lol... ale, spot, stage...all great bet for your thursday, friday, and saturday night outs. ceeps u've obvs never been to kingston if you think london is great.



In fact I have been to Kingston, only went to house parties though. From people I know, I should clarify, there are only like 2 or 3 GOOD places in Kingston. If your just talking bars in general in Londy theres like 100, I'm talking about good places. I've only heard good things about Stages and thats it. Lets put it this way: My Queen's friends come to London to visit, not the other way around...
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It's really a question of Ivey versus Queen's. Both are good schools, but Ivey is ahead. Ivey has better recruitment from Bay Street Big 5 as well as Wall Street Bulge Brackets for Investment Banking. Considering your username is Goldman Sachs, I'm sure you'll want to go to Ivey cause Goldman Sachs recruits there heavily, much more than Queen's. Ivey also has the largest alumni base, so you can get connections and alumni will help you break in. You also mentioned politics, so it seems like you haven't made up your mind about which career. I don't know about politics because I'm into finance.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/queens-commerce-vs-western-ivey-vs-schulich-ibba
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/canadian-targets
There are tons of threads on that website. Do your research, read beyond the two threads I just pasted, and it will be pretty clear that the Wall Street Oasis community favours Ivey over Queen's.
Here's Ivey's amazing recruiting:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa1.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa2.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa3.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa4.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa5.jpg
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@tobywashere wrote
It's really a question of Ivey versus Queen's. Both are good schools, but Ivey is ahead. Ivey has better recruitment from Bay Street Big 5 as well as Wall Street Bulge Brackets for Investment Banking. Considering your username is Goldman Sachs, I'm sure you'll want to go to Ivey cause Goldman Sachs recruits there heavily, much more than Queen's. Ivey also has the largest alumni base, so you can get connections and alumni will help you break in. You also mentioned politics, so it seems like you haven't made up your mind about which career. I don't know about politics because I'm into finance.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/queens-commerce-vs-western-ivey-vs-schulich-ibba
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/canadian-targets
There are tons of threads on that website. Do your research, read beyond the two threads I just pasted, and it will be pretty clear that the Wall Street Oasis community favours Ivey over Queen's.
Here's Ivey's amazing recruiting:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa1.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa2.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa3.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa4.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa5.jpg



first of all, what are those pics?

second of all, 5 from class of 2012 are GS NY IBD this summer. Also, Queen's is the only school in Canada that gets recruitment from GS AmSSG (NY).
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@tobywashere wrote
It's really a question of Ivey versus Queen's. Both are good schools, but Ivey is ahead. Ivey has better recruitment from Bay Street Big 5 as well as Wall Street Bulge Brackets for Investment Banking. Considering your username is Goldman Sachs, I'm sure you'll want to go to Ivey cause Goldman Sachs recruits there heavily, much more than Queen's. Ivey also has the largest alumni base, so you can get connections and alumni will help you break in. You also mentioned politics, so it seems like you haven't made up your mind about which career. I don't know about politics because I'm into finance.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/queens-commerce-vs-western-ivey-vs-schulich-ibba
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/canadian-targets
There are tons of threads on that website. Do your research, read beyond the two threads I just pasted, and it will be pretty clear that the Wall Street Oasis community favours Ivey over Queen's.
Here's Ivey's amazing recruiting:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa1.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa2.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa3.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa4.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa5.jpg



Thanks a lot for your help, really appreciate it. I swear those links you sent me above were legit because I opened them, but someone fukd up the link now. Can you PM me if those links if you don't mind? I'm guessing you are an AEO/HBA? One question, how are you financing your education? Or how do you plan to for your HBA years? Thanks.
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@ceeps wrote
Honestly, if you want to do investment banking, Ivey is really your only choice. Otherwise, choose between Ivey and Queen's... doesn't really matter. In reality, both are great schools and choose the better fit for you.

Goldman Sachs dude says the fourth year exchange is a downside. In actuality, most people have FT jobs lined up by then, so they can just go abroad and enjoy themselves -- its really more of a plus.

In terms of atmosphere, I would definitely say Westerns atmosphere is tops. Kingston only has like 2 bars/clubs. London has like 7 or 8 bars/clubs that are packed every friday + saturday. I love Western personally. If you want to drink, theres something to do on weekends. If you don't want to drink, there's still tons of fun stuff to do -- you don't have to sit at home watching himym reruns.

It seems that the reason some of my friends picked Queen's over Ivey is that they were scared that they wouldn't keep the 80. The 80 isn't hard but it also isn't easy. If you don't fuk around and hit the bars on Tuesdays, and you're actually smart, you'll do fine.



Thanks a lot for your input. Congratz on becoming an official Ivey student. You already answered some of my questions on the other thread, but one more question. How do you plan to pay for Ivey? If you don't mind me asking how much in OSAP, Ivey Bursaries? I think I might even have to get the BMO loan given my financial situation, do you recommend it?
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@goldmansachs wrote

@tobywashere wrote
It's really a question of Ivey versus Queen's. Both are good schools, but Ivey is ahead. Ivey has better recruitment from Bay Street Big 5 as well as Wall Street Bulge Brackets for Investment Banking. Considering your username is Goldman Sachs, I'm sure you'll want to go to Ivey cause Goldman Sachs recruits there heavily, much more than Queen's. Ivey also has the largest alumni base, so you can get connections and alumni will help you break in. You also mentioned politics, so it seems like you haven't made up your mind about which career. I don't know about politics because I'm into finance.
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/queens-commerce-vs-western-ivey-vs-schulich-ibba
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/canadian-targets
There are tons of threads on that website. Do your research, read beyond the two threads I just pasted, and it will be pretty clear that the Wall Street Oasis community favours Ivey over Queen's.
Here's Ivey's amazing recruiting:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa1.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa2.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa3.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa4.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18155396/sahiring/sa5.jpg



Thanks a lot for your help, really appreciate it. I swear those links you sent me above were legit because I opened them, but someone fukd up the link now. Can you PM me if those links if you don't mind? I'm guessing you are an AEO/HBA? One question, how are you financing your education? Or how do you plan to for your HBA years? Thanks.



Could I please get a hold of those links as well?
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That kid is obviously trolling with those links and you guys think that there is a "legit link",.....
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@Goldmansachs

I beg to differ on Western having the best party scene! They did get ranked by playboy to be one of the best party schools in North America, but SO did MCGILL a few years earlier.

AND PLUS, along with our actual school, MTL by far trumps London, even though I'm sure london is beautiful!

But then again, I'm a MTL fan boy haha.
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