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Ivey vs Queen's

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I know that this topic has been discussed before, but I still don't know which one is better.
I've been accepted to both, and I plan on specializing in corporate finance/banking. I know both of the schools are good, and everyone that I asked about these schools have given me a mixed opinion. The case study learning, and the new building at Ivey makes it really appealing to me, but others are telling me Queen's is a better choice. I don't really like the 2 + 2 structure at Ivey, but a lot of people I know have told me it will prepare better for a job and there is better recruiting.
If you were put in my position which school would you choose and why? I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of those that got into both the schools and chose Queen's over Ivey.
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Go to which ever school you like better because they're both great and you won't go wrong with either.
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Is there another thread out there? If so, can anyone guide me to some links?
I am also debating which uni. to attend. Although I am still waiting for my Queen's Commerce, I am very optimistic about receiving my offer though :p.
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What does everyone think of the BMOS program prior to Ivey?
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if you think ur 1000000% sure about going into finance, Ivey.
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@baller7 wrote
Is there another thread out there? If so, can anyone guide me to some links?
I am also debating which uni. to attend. Although I am still waiting for my Queen's Commerce, I am very optimistic about receiving my offer though :p.



im pretty sure theres a website called google.. : p
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@gnazarkin wrote
What does everyone think of the BMOS program prior to Ivey?



Good enough program but if you're interested in something else as well, I would recommend you take advantage of your first two years.

As far as choosing which school to go to, if I were you I would visit both schools and see where I fit in better.
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@GoBarca wrote
if you think ur 1000000% sure about going into finance, Ivey.



We've been through this enough so I'm just going to be straight forward and say I disagree.
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Both schools will give you the tools to succeed. It's which university/program culture that will you feel you fit in the most that is most important.
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Clearly both schools are fantastic but it would be great to have someone with experience break it down for us grade 12s. There must many advantages that they have over each other...it doesn't seem as simple as "go to the school that appeals to you."

Personally, I am choosing between Rotman, Ivey (AEO) and Queens and am leaning towards Ivey (it’s a great problem to have :)).
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Some basic comparison analysis:

Ivey: 2+2 system appeals for some not others.. Case method appeals to some not others. I've heard that Ivey bells to 78 so if you're sensitive about your GPA, it may not be for you.

Queens: 4 years undergraduate, more traditional studying (Although they are using the case study method), the highest average in QC in 4th year this year was 93.

Alumni: Ivey > Queens
Party Life: Western > Queens
Competitiveness: Ivey (600 kids by the time we get to HBA < Queens
Lakeshore/crescent/etc. kids: Ivey < Queens

All from what I've heard/read or my opinion.
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@peppers wrote
Clearly both schools are fantastic but it would be great to have someone with experience break it down for us grade 12s. There must many advantages that they have over each other...it doesn't seem as simple as "go to the school that appeals to you."

Personally, I am choosing between Rotman, Ivey (AEO) and Queens and am leaning towards Ivey (it’s a great problem to have :)).




Hopefully I can help here. I can't compare both schools because I don't attend Ivey and clearly I have a serious bias. I would be careful if anyone from any school says they know enough about two different schools to compare them objectively. I compiled a list of things that think make Queen's stand out for a previous post so you might have seen it before. Maybe get someone from Ivey to something similar and you'll have a good idea of where the differences lie. Other suggestion is to pick aspects of university, give them a 1-5 rating for each school and then weight them by importance (we did this for exchange picking schools are it was really helpful).

1. Tight-knit program
• Small graduating class size 450: you’ll get know almost everyone
• Class sections capped at 80 (smaller in upper-years): Great for in-class discussion and participation, everyone has name tags so your classmates and professors known your name
• You address your question to the professor directly, not TAs: they have weekly office hours and are very quick at answering e-mails, Profs almost participate in student social activities and just generally very approachable
• All your classes are located in one building (Goodes Hall) – hub of activity at all time or night and day.
• Your work will be mostly done in groups, so you get to work with a variety of people and get to know your class mates
• 4 year program: extensive business knowledge, solid foundation is ALL fields (experience with all types of teaching, not just cases) and close relationships with class mates

2. Goodes Hall
• Beautiful home of the business programs: undergrad, MBA, masters, PhD (2004 renovations amalgamated with 1800s school house)
• Almost a “school in itself”: we have our own business career centre (help you find jobs, build your resumé), academic & personal counsellors, IT centre (fix your computer and give you a loaner for free), printing centre (with Bloomberg terminal), café, international centre (arrange exchange) – these are all exclusive to Business students

3. Student Involvement
• HUGE differentiating factor for QC
• This applies to Queen’s in general and particularly Commerce
• Easy for everyone is involved in one thing or another because it’s not a commuter schools
• ComSoc (Commerce Society) is the largest business student society, encompasses 10 conferences (some running over $100 000 budgets, recruiters and alumni come to each of these so great networking), 4 case competitions, 2 business, 27 internal committees (including us, High School Liaison) all entirely student run
• Examples: QMAC (marketing conference), QCIB (international business conference), QSIC (sports), QBFFI (fashion), ICBC (case competition that attracts people from all over the world), QCIA (opportunity to go to a developing nation to help build a school), Commerce Kids (volunteer weekly at an elementary school), etc.
• Almost 700 unique positions in ComSoc, so there’s an opportunity for everyone to get involved with what their passionate about
• Amazing leadership, interview and business experience: best way to apply in-class knowledge
• Check out comsoc.queensu.ca
• CSR Certificate: I’m not pursuing it, but its great way to differentiate yourself by taking certain classes, volunteering and participating in 3 CSR weekends over 4 years

4. International Opportunities
• First priority for the Dean, David Saunders; driving factor behind the expansion of the program (from 300 to 450) – to increase QC’s international reputation and footprint
• EXCHANGE! Best experience of your life. I spent the fall in Belgium, was able to travel to 10 different countries and it was unreal, I can’t say enough about it.
• Great opportunity to meet and network abroad, as well as get a summer or long term job abroad
• 9% of 2010 grads were placed in jobs outside of Canada

5. Career
• Excellent reputation
• 93% job placement rate 6 months after graduation
• 30%+ pursue CA (90%+ success rate at first attempt at UFE test)
• Lots of on campus recruiting (Business Career Weeks in Sept and Jan), company reps are present at each and every conference - GREAT networking opportunity
• Business Career Centre
• Ability to contact alumni for informational interviews (and they are willing to help)
• http://business.queensu.ca/student_career_services/index.php

6. School Spirit
• Lives up to the reputation and more!
• Frosh Week is the best time of your life (after exchange)
• You should have seen this place when we went to the Vanier Cup
• Queen’s has had a very tough year with six student deaths in 12 months...in the case of the school has rallied together with events such as Queen’s Loves U and the Queen’s Lipdub
• Queen’s Community isn’t a myth, it’s 100% real
• Everyone lives within 10 min walk from each other, 90% people live in res first year (so everyone is living away from home for the first time)– everyone’s connected by these similar experiences


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Woops, and I should mention that if you have more precise questions, please don't hesitate to post here, PM-us or post of the Facebook page!
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Can we have someone from Ivey tell us why we should pick Ivey? I heard from Queen's ^, now it's Ivey's turn. :compress:
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@baller7 wrote
Can we have someone from Ivey tell us why we should pick Ivey? I heard from Queen's ^, now it's Ivey's turn. :compress:



Waiting for Ivey to post anytime now........
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@dxb2ont wrote

@baller7 wrote
Can we have someone from Ivey tell us why we should pick Ivey? I heard from Queen's ^, now it's Ivey's turn. :compress:



Waiting for Ivey to post anytime now........



I actually PMed this question about Queen's vs Ivey to both a member of the Queen's liaison and a member of Ivey liaison (both in this forum). The response I got from Queen's is as stated from the previous post, and this 1 was from Ivey:


I have to commend you on doing your due diligence in understanding the differences in programs before you choose. Understand that I should not and will not advise you to choose one school over the other, it's honestly about fit. Both schools are good, but one will be a better fit for you.

To calm your fears about some of the things you feel you might miss out on if you go to Queen's, here are a bunch of facts about Western/Ivey:

Ivey's HBA is a very prestigious program, there haven't been any undergrad rankings for any business program in Canada.

If you want to study business for 4 years, you can pursue the MOS program before HBA. However, the opportunity to study something aside from business is quite advantageous long term (i.e. working in Finance, but drawing on your science/engineering background to understand other related industries better)

There are a ton of exchange opportunities in 2nd year (1 semester or full year) and in 4th year (1 semester), as well as other week-long international opportunities while in Ivey.

Ivey has their own student council too, but also an extensive clubs system internal to the program (little known fact). This is all on top of the 200+ clubs at Western and one of the largest student councils in Canada.

We attend tons of different conferences all over the world, a bunch of them as feeders into other competitions, where the school will cover your accomodations and expenses. We don't host a ton of conferences (the workload is pretty intense in Ivey), but we do host a couple of them, most of them internal or with a number of peer institutions.

There are a number of certificates you can get, through taking courses in the various functional centres in Ivey (all electives in 4th year). CSR has a number of great profs and cool research projects (including ones abroad).

Western has an enormous school spirit, I would personally say as one of the top. I think if you ask anybody about Western's school spirit, it would definitely be one of the top that comes to mind. When it comes to Ivey, HBAs are extremely passionate about the school, which is further demonstrated over the course of their alumni participation. Alumni at Ivey has always been known to be quite strong, because of how far they go to support the school and its current students.

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