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mac commerce vs brock bba coop

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out of these two which one is the better choice?
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For sure Mac > Brock. Not even close.
But if you're firm on doing accounting, then Brock Bacc might be a bit better.
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Mac 100%.
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even though i got into coop at brock?
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Brock Accounting is far better. Guaranteed coop, easier for GPA, better city life, become a CPA faster. 

Only if you want to definitely do accounting though. 

If you want to try other business fields, go to Mac Commerce. 
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Vote for Brock BBA here. Third year Brock student, and me and a bunch of friends in the program were also admitted to Degroote and well...obvoiusly we chose Brock. After your first co-op placement any shred of doubt you may have had disappears. I worked alongside Laurier co-op, UTSC co-op, and McMaster internship students for my first coop placement. The difference? Me and the other coops weren't even done 2nd year, and the McMaster students were basically graduating.

 It's not completely clear cut, but I am not able to justify McMaster over Brock's BBA Co-op. Show me a job that a Degroote student can get that a Goodman one can't...Meanwhile I can show you tons of 2nd year Brock students working respectable business jobs and tons of Degroote 2nd years working as sales associates or CSRs. 

Don't mean to say anything bad about Degroote, just believe that the brand name and connections are not strong enough for it to be worth giving up co-op at a school like Goodman. Degroote does not equal Ivey, Queen's, or even Schulich.


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I'm in DeGroote right now and I can tell you that DeGroote > Goodman in terms of prestige. There are many networking opportunities, and internships at McMaster are really good. Building connections at McMaster is really easy as recruiters from firms such as KPMG visit the campus very often. I also know tons of DeGroote students (including 2nd year students) working respectable business jobs as well (and were able to complete their CPA designation in Mac Commerce) so you can't really make that statement. Plus, there are tons of people who group DeGroote with the top business schools. However, if accounting is what you're sure you want to do, then Brock Accounting is a good option as you are guaranteed co-op.
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LOL brock trash. Go work on your grades instead of trying to convince high schoolers to go to a crappy school like brock.

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What prestige? Neither Goodman or Degroote have prestige. That's exactly what I'm saying, that there aren't any networking opportunities that there aren't at Brock. You think the big 4 don't come to Brock? 
Let me rephrase, in the co-op programs, working a respectable business job during second year is the norm. You can be an all around average student and still get these jobs. At non-coop schools, you'd have to really stand out to get hired as a second year, since most companies would prefer to hire students who have completed third year so that they can just bring them back for full time after. That's not limited to Degroote, that is just the way it is at non-coop schools. I know quite a few third years at Schulich struggling to land decent jobs for their post-3rd year summers. These are the type of students who would honestly easily land solid jobs if they were in Brock's BBA Co-op (decent grades, ECs, XP, and interviewing skills). The difference is Schulich/Queen's/Ivey have the alumni and established reputation/connections to hook their top 3rd years up with excellent summer internships if they put the effort in...This was my whole argument; I don't feel like Degroote has enough of this to justify attending McMaster  over Brock's co-op programs. 

@ Anon #2, Brock BAcc Co-op has a higher cut off than Degroote commerce for highschool students...Last year you needed an 87+ to get in. You can see people getting into Degroote with 84.xx on these forums this year. Although I'll admit for Brock's BBA Co-op you can probably get in with around an 82 or so. 


To each their own though. It just seems like if you're the type of student who's actually deciding between Degroote and Goodman, co-op is the safer bet for you.
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DeGroote definitely has the prestige, it's looked highly upon by employers (which I know from experience, I've seen TD recruiters come to campus and praise DeGroote. I've even had a recruiter tell me personally that they love to hire DeGroote business students). It's a given that you have to stand out and work hard in order to obtain the best jobs, and that stands with any school you decide to go to. DeGroote also has established alumni (whom I personally know) and an established reputation so you can't really make those claims without solid ground. I do agree, however, that Brock BAcc is a good option for those who are sure that they want to pursue a career path in accounting because the co-op opportunities are good, but there's no need to belittle DeGroote.
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You're gonna end up working at McDonalds, lol
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Who are you talking about? If you're referring to me (the 2nd anon rooting for DeGroote) I've already secured a TD Securities job for myself with an 80k salary.
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ITT: Salty brock kid who tries to bring degroote down to brock tier and call both schools bad. When in reality, only brock is bad.
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Pretty much.. I'd be pretty embarrassed trying to sell a Ryerson-tier school.
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I know right LOL, there's no need to bring DeGroote down.
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rofl my friend got into brock with a 65 in english.. he even showed me the admission letter
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Only true answer in this thread. OP choose degroote
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Well I've got better things to do than deal with trolls. I've made my points, if anybody wants to actually respond to them with intelligent questions or arguments then by all means...
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From what i have researched which is a ton is that mac is better besides accounting, what is the cut off for internship at Degroote this year does anyone know what it was? I got into Guelph with guaranteed coop so im really debating that if Mac is really competitive to get into internship


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Minimum 7.0 GPA. To be competitive though, probably 8/9+
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If you want to talk avg %, here:

http://www.brocku.ca/webfm_send/34203

http://www.mcmaster.ca/avpira/cudo/20132014/20132014B.html

DeGroote's business admission average was 88.3% in 2013

Brock's Business Department (BBA combined even with BAcc's "87%+") was 84.2% in 2013

If you look at the cudos of different universities. Queens, Schulich, DeGroote, Laurier, UTSC, Rotman are the schools with commerce admission averages of high 80s to low 90s.

Meanwhile, schools such as Ryerson, Brock, Guelph, UTM, etc are the ones with low 80s to high 70s admission average.

The cut off means nothing, it's the admission average of the students that shows the caliber of the entering students.



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This is cool and all but once you get admitted into a program, the entrance averages don't mean anything. It's like you get into medschool with a high MCAT score, but would you brag about a high MCAT in med school or as a doctor? 

No, these are just barriers we all must pass to reach our goal. People private school, night school, summer school courses or go to easier high schools to get 90+ averages. The admission averages for business don't mean anything because only experience is key and reputation matters more an MBA. 
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Yes, obviously. But Hrad was referring to high school averages.
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@ Anon with the CUDO, If you want to play highschool averages go take a look at Degroote Commerce CUDO data from the year before, what is it like 85.8%?  Big jump for Degroote in this department, but if you're going to claim that the couple of percentages between Degroote and Goodman make the students a totally other tier then...well, ok. That means Degroote students must all be complete trash compared to let's say Rotman according to that logic, since Rotman's avg was like ~91.7 in 2012, but I'm sure many of the Degroote-ers in this thread would disagree with that (as would I). 

I fully stated Brock's BBA Co-op has a lower cut off than Degroote so not sure what you're trying to say, the BBA average brings Goodman's stats down as do the non-coop programs in general (in regards to these, I openly agree that Degroote is the better choice). I'm pretty sure if we excluded the non-coop programs the averages would be much closer. Remember my argument is for co-op.

Yes, an 84.2 = high 70. Degroote was barely making progress from like 2010-2012, sitting at ~85. So what you have is basically one year of increased averages...if it increases or even maintains an 88+ in 2014 data I'll be impressed. 
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@Sasha, you seem to be getting very emotional. The only reason why % was brought up in the first place was because Hrad (Not sure why you changed your username all of a sudden) mentioned it first place with the intentions to set "tiers". Nobody wants to "play" that way.

& I dont know if you read the comment properly. But the averages were categorized into low 70s to mid 80s AND high 80s to low 90s. No one said Brock's 84.2 = high 70s. But 84.2 does indeed fall into low 80s.Regardlss, DeGroote's past 85.8 falls into mid high 80s. Now that the admission average is 88.3%, its even higher then Laurier's business department average. Which was 87.5%. Like you said, a percentage or two might not seperate the caliber of students. Hence, it makes sense to compare utsc coop, laurier bba coop, degroote, queens, since all their admission averages range between high 80s to low 90s. Plus, it doesnt matter if you include coop or no coop, the difference wont be big. Also, not everyone in degroote will get internship, so you have to take that into account as well.

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Sasha is Hrad, so basically this person is the one who brought up % in the first place LOL. Sasha/Hrad stop catching feelings
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who the hell wants to go to a school named after a pokemon gym leader anyway?

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hey man.. brock the gym leader is pretty cool
the school on the other hand is trash
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Heading to Degroote for commerce this September so obviously I'd say Mac over Brock. Some of these posts though...I thought Mac kids were mature and humble enough to not put down other schools like that. C'mon guys.
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I agree guys, there's no need to belittle any of the schools. I'm 100% Mac, but I'm sure Brock BAcc is also good.
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Brock BAcc > Mac BCom if you want to become a CPA.

Brock BBA Co-op = Mac BCom, co-op trumps intership.
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You have no clue what you're talking about. Paid internship is always preferred. Internship lasts a longer period of time. Hence, greater chance of getting rehired by the same employer upon graduation due to a much better established relations. 

DeGroote is backed by McMaster. One of Canada's top university, known internationally. With superiorly established connections with big fours and banks. & a long and strong alumni tradition.

The only reason why BAcc is slightly better is because it offers a faster way of becoming a CPA. But in the end, the same destination is achieveable with the big four in DeGroote. So there's nothing extremely spectacular about BAcc. BBA is out of the question. The Brock & Goodman brand is only known in Ontario.

This thread should'nt even be created since there is no competition. Now if you put DeGroote up against similar programs like UTSC Coop and Laurier BBA Coop, then we can have something to debate about.


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Why are you acting like co-ops are unpaid?
You seem pretty desperate for a job. Why do you want to make the employer so happy? Co-ops let you try a few months at many different employers...then you make the best decision for YOU.

Yes, McMaster has a more established name than Brock, but that doesn't have much to do with business. UofT is ranked higher than McMaster, so that means UTM Commerce>Degroote Commerce, right?

AND because students get to work during busy season, get to look for jobs with much less competition, and as a result students will be able to land the jobs they want more easily. Only known in Ontario? Explains why many of our students receive interviews invites from oil giants or even Big 4 firms in Calgary. I'm not trying to say Brock is Harvard, more like employers actually just don't care where you go, especially if they are outside ON.

Would be very interested in seeing how all of you try to explain Degroote>Laurier or UTSC Coop
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^ Salty Brock kids are back
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Its the same salty brock kid, but he changed his username.

& Did you really just ask undergrads if they want a job? and if they want to get rehired by a big firm? I doubt you are actually in university if you ask those questions. Unless youre saying that Brock only hook their student up with terrible companies. So terrible that brock students dont want to go back and work there again? Im not saying brock kids are rejected from all good opportunities, there ARE good opportunities in brock! but what im saying is that compared to mcmaster, it has substantially less.

The gap between uoft's international reputation against mcmasters reputation would be dramatically smaller than Mac vs Brock. So in that case, reputation doesnt play as big of a factor since both UofT and Mac are internationally known, rather than international vs provincial. So in that case, we look at the program itself rather than solely on reputation. So for sure degroote > utm specifically.

Also, if you are interested to see DeGroote vs Laurier, scroll down and look for threads. Theres a bunch.

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Hrad/Sasha was trying to be slick.
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You're dreaming if you think DeGroote has any recognition outside of Ontario. Neither school attracts students to their business program because of their notoriety outside of the province. Students choose Mac or Brock because they can't get into Rotman/Schulich/Queens/Ivey/Laurier etc.

Co-op programs are superior to internships because employers actively recruit on campus. Placements are listed through the co-op office and are only available to co-op students. Co-op placements range from 4 to 8 months during the school year, with 2 to 3 placements within 4 to 4.5 years.  Often with the same employer, which leads to offers of employment. 

Students have to find an internship pretty much on their own. Usually in the summer when all other students are looking. Unless you're in the top 10-15% of your class, good luck finding that internship. On top of that, you'll be competing with students from Rotman/Schulich/Queens/Ivey/Laurier etc.

Mac is known for sciences, Degroote is an after thought. Brock is known for its Bacc Co-op. I agree Degroote has a stronger alumni, but Brocks co-op makes up for that. I call it a draw, unless you want to be a CPA, then Bacc co-op is the way to go.
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Lol that's not true, I chose DeGroote over Rotman, Queen's and Laurier as a personal decision and I don't regret it at all. The opportunities at DeGroote are fantastic, and DeGroote definitely has international reputation, prove to me that it doesn't because I'd love to know where you get this information from. It's a given that you have to work hard and be in the top 10-15% of your class to get the best jobs/internships anywhere and that stands for any university, even Rotman/Schulich/Ivey etc. You think the kids who go there and get passing grades are going to get good jobs? They may have made it into university with their high school grades but uni is much harder and there's loads of competition anywhere you go so that argument is invalid. Mac is known for more than its sciences, it's also known for business and it's highly regarded by employers. I don't know why some people on this forum have that notion but hey, they're missing out on a great business school.
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Most of my friends including myself chose DeGroote over Laurier. alot of ppl i met here also picked degroote over laurier, etc. since both programs are pretty good. I alsomet someone in my tutorial group who picked degroote over ivey aeo because of the cost and location. its not really as big of a deal as you make it seem to be.
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^ exactly, they're both good programs. In the end it just comes down to personal preference (campus, student life, costs, etc.).
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Do you hear yourselves? Choosing Mac over Queens and Laurier? Highly unlikely.
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^ That explains why degroote filled up completely last year with a higher admission average than Laurier's business department. While laurier still had spots left.

Get over yourself. I understand that queens commerce is reputatable. but Laurier, other then its good coop program, its not even heard of outside of ontario.
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Neither is Mac, thats my point. Stop touting Mac as some world renowned commerce program. It isn't.

As you mentioned Laurier has excellent co-op, that what sets their program apart from others. If you want int'l notoriety its pretty much UofT, maybe Queens and Ivey.

The thread is Mac vs Brock, neither offers anything special, aside from Brocks co-op.

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LOL nobody needs to prove to you that DeGroote was chosen over Queen's and Laurier, I've done it and it was the best decision I've made. If you have the skills and the grades, there's no reason why you shouldn't get one of the best jobs at ANY school you go to. I personally know a guy who went to Sheridan college and now he's in the TD rotational program making 80k. So honestly speaking, I don't see the hype with Queen's or Laurier other than its reputation (that too, like anon mentioned above, Laurier isn't heard of outside of Ontario). Mac is reputable, it's highly regarded by employers at even the biggest firms (and I say this from experience because I've networked plenty of times and employers are all praises for DeGroote, even going so far as to say that they love hiring DeGroote students the most, and this was a TD Securities recruiter). DeGroote Commerce has great internship placements, but DeGroote MBA also offers excellent co-op.
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Response to above, I agree with your post that its not the school you attend rather its the individual. You can go to Mac or Brock (or Guelph/Ryerson etc), and if you achieve good grades and market yourself, you can land a decent job.  I know 4 Bacc students in their 3rd year. All landed cato placements with large to mid sized firms. All of them completed 12 months of co-op with one more co-op term to go. Good luck attaining 16 months of work experience during you undergrad without co-op. So, while its up to the individual to achieve, choose a school that has the tools to get you there. I keep having to repeat myself, co-op is golden. Unless you're straight A's in uni, the intn'l reputation of your school is irrelevent.
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And lol @ claiming employers love DeGroote students the most. I rarely see any DeGroote guys on linkedin at any banks, maybe 5 at most.
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Lol where does this stuff come from? The anon said that employers love DeGroote students, not that they love DeGroote students the MOST. This guy really needs help with reading comprehension. And are you serious? There are tons of DeGroote guys on linkedin at the big banks, please go back to school little high schooler.
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^ lmao rekt
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He said it himself. http://i.imgur.com/Fstg5R0.jpg?1 

I think you might want to work on your reading comprehension. 

And I am not in high school for that matter. 

I've only seen one impressive placement which was at Citi, the rest were MBAs landing at CIBC CM which isn't all that impressive. 

Seems that Mac kids get their ego bruised easily. Face it, your school is only known because of its science programs, while business on the other hand is lacking. International reputation can only be leveraged so far, surely employers will known that Mac is known for sciences, not business. 
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Totally agree with Jason. I attend Mac and having taken courses from the commerce program (minor in business), I know that it is not all that great. If your goal is to work in high finance positions, investment banking do not come here. However if all you want a moderate living in HR or Marketing, or simply a school to study accounting, get your hours and work towards your CPA, then Degroote is fine. It's just not the school for those who have high ambitions in business.
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I'm sorry but I just don't agree. I've also taken commerce courses and I think they're great. If your goal is to work in high finance positions and investment banking then you can definitely find what you're looking for at DeGroote, prove that you can't. Where does this info come from anyway? I've seen plenty of impressive placements, so I don't know where you're looking.
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Well, I google "Investment Banking (or whatever industry for that matter) McMaster Commerce Linkedin". Only one BB placement was found, the rest were standard positions that every other b.school gets ie. CIBC CM, TD Securities. 

Investment banking is dominated by  Ivey/Queens/McGill
Buy side is much the same with the addition of Laurier.

Consulting, once again is dominated by Ivey/Queens 

Please show me the info for DeGroote,  I am genuinely  interested now. Perhaps we have a different definition of what is an impressive placement. 
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I go to Mac and love this debate between Brock BAcc and Mac Commerce. They're both good programs but I would choose Brock because Accounting is one of their best programs so they invest a lot into it, it is easier for GPA (Mac Commerce has a bunch of economics and math courses that you share with engineering and science students), and the internships aren't as easy to obtain as some make it out to seem. Now keep in mind that I am in a science program at Mac, so everything I know about the commerce program is what I have heard from friends and acquaintances in the program. As well, it is foolish to cite the overall reputation of Mac in this case because that reputation derives from strengths in the health and medical sciences, which has nothing to do with the business program.

Anyways, both are great programs but I would just choose Brock Accounting over Mac Commerce. The Niagara night-life is also better than the polluted blue-collar city of Hamilton. However if it's Brock BBA that we're talking about, then Mac Commerce is definitely better.



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I don't understand how people who aren't in a specific program can comment on whether one program is superior to another or not. Most people on this forum pay way too much attention to hearsay, like honestly man just comment if you actually have meaningful information to share (like your OWN personal experiences) instead of telling us what you've HEARD.
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hey anon, which mac science program are u in?
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I'm in the Biochemistry program. 

To the other anon, if you can fine tune your reading comprehension skills for a second, I spoke mainly about the city life of Hamilton which I do have firsthand experience. 

As well, I have firsthand experience taking overlapping math and econ (electives for me) courses with commerce and engineering students. 

My close friends are in the commerce program and I witnessed how difficult it is to get a paid internship. 

I said I would personally choose Brock Accounting because it allows you to become a CPA faster and Brock focuses a lot of resources on that program. However, between BBA and Mac Commerce I would just choose Mac. 

Not sure how anything in my post offends you, people are allowed to give their opinions on this forum. 

However, I should add that where you go for undergrad really doesn't matter, as much as your grades and work experience do. In the end, the debate here shouldn't be about Macs reputation against Brocks. It should be whether both programs offer opportunities to secure that work experience which is so important in business. 
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Yes, I think it makes sense that Brock BAcc is better than ANY BBA/BCOM program in Canada if your sole purpose is to become a CPA. After all, that what the program is specifically designed to achieve.

& all students in all business schools arnt spoon fed job, I think we can agree upon that in today's market, it isnt easy to secure internship/co-op.

Also, the econ courses & math courses u overlapped arn't really in the commerce faculty. But I see where you are coming from. Good luck in your program fellow marauder :)


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It's the same Life Science guy dropping what he's heard onto these forums. Nobody said that getting a paid internship is easy. As mentioned above, it's a given that you have to work hard and be in the top 10-15% of your class to get the best jobs/internships at any university you go to, but I also have close friends and know many people who have secured strong internships. As long as you work hard, maintain a good GPA and work on your communication skills, leadership skills, etc. (which DeGroote has many workshops for to train students) you should have no problem securing a good internship. Nobody's getting offended, but I just don't think people should take things that they've "heard" from other people seriously. Unless you have personal experience or solid ground to back up what you say, these claims are meaningless (and I'm not targeting you, this is a general statement which applies to most people on this forum who don't have sufficient information about a program that they're giving their opinions on).
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Mac Commerce students are getting so defensive on this forum lol.
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Lol have you seen the Brock students? No less defensive lol
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More like, everyone already agreed upon on a mutual answer that degroote is the better pick by far. but one individual wont listen to everyones reasoning.


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People here need to stop bashing schools. I know people who went to a college business program such as Seneca, found their own jobs and networked like crazy and became CPAs and HR Professionals. In the end which business school you attend really doesn't count for much after you get your first job. A top student at Ryerson may get a coveted position on Bay Street, while a below-average Queens student struggles to get one themselves. This is all too subjective to go ahead and say that one business program will be the best choice for everyone.
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Its funny to see Mac and Brock business bashing each other. One is hardly better than the other, however, I'd give the edge to co-op. Its all about work experience, and selling yourself in an interview. Not so much what school you went to. Unless of course, you're top of your class at Queens/Ivey/Rotman/Schulich.
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You clearly haven't read the thread. & idk if you're trolling with "one is harder better than the other", but either way you shouldnt mislead potential high school applicants. Because the difference is obvious and huge, but high school kids might not know that before they do research. btw you sound just like any other generic high schooler on this forum.
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At anon above I am not the person you are speaking to, but it is you who sounds like the high schooler. 

All that matters is work experience which one can get both from Brock's coop and Mac's internships. How is that misleading exactly? 
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True, it seems like utsc coop, laurier coop, brock coop, and all business schools that offer coop experiences are the same then. and theres no point arguing on this forum.
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To all the Mac students bashing Brock, I want to ask one question. 

What firms come to recruit at Mac specifically that doesn't come to recruit at other schools, including Brock? 

The courses you take at both schools is similar. Brock has coop and Mac has internships, so someone can get jobs if they wanted to. I don't understand the dilemma here. Besides Macs overall better reputation, what does the commerce program really offer that you can't get from any other school? 
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I dont think the DeGroote kids are bashing saying that certain firms hires exclusively, rather, theres more events and opportunities in Mac. And I agree with you that theres no dilemma, degroote offers everything Brock has plus better reputation. Hence, it is the better choice. simple as that. this whole thread is pointless.

Also, please ignore the comments that bash brock with vulgar and silly comments. Those are most likely just high school students, not DeGroote students themselves. It doesnt matter where you recieved your undergrad, it solely depends on your own connections and work habits.
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The difference is huge? This is untrue and misleading. I'm not saying either program is anything special, they are very similar. As mentioned in the post above, what makes Mac so much better than Brock? There are no stats to substantiate one is better than the other. Look at each program and decide for yourself which one offers more. I'm just expressing my opinion, that co-op is definitely something to consider. For those that are convinced that Degroote is a prestigious business school, sorry for peeing on your parade. 84 gets you in to Mac, and 82 gets you in to Brock, big whoop.
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First of all, 84 doesnt get you into mac. Also, if you think the difference solely relies on acceptance cutoffs, youre going to have a bad time. Coop is definately something to consider, but it was unreasonable for brock students to bash internship in the first place. This whole time, degroote students never "paraded" their averages. Its when one of the brock student brought up % to parade themselves. You also cant say that both programs are similar without enrolling in both programs yourself. Thats just silly.
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I got in Buisness 1 at Mac with 85 in march/april
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I don't hear too many Brock students chiming in here. We have heard from Mac students telling us that the program is nothing special. 84 or 85 for Mac, what do you need for Brock? 82-83? Not much difference there. All I'm saying is, stop patting yourself on the back for being accepted to either of these programs. That being said, co-op is better than Mac internship.
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Another thing to consider is the MBA program. If you want to play it dirty with admission averages (I wasn't going to bring this out but since Brock kids are fighting over admission averages, here it is). In order to get into Brock's MBA program you need a minimum GMAT score of 550 (avg GMAT score was 593 according to a stat I found for 2013), and to get into McMaster's MBA program you need a minimum GMAT score of 600 to be considered (avg GMAT score was 630 according to the same website for 2013). Now there's no real meaning behind this but since you brought it up, there you go. In addition, you guys keep complaining about how DeGroote doesn't have co-op, but DeGroote's MBA co-op program has fantastic opportunities and reputable work placements, I personally know many students who have secured 80k+ jobs (starting salaries) and are very content where they are. I'm not saying that Goodman doesn't offer these opportunities as well, I'm just saying that your points can be countered very easily.
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You can also look at some stats for DeGroote MBA here: http://cbcd.degroote.mcmaster.ca/files/2012/06/MBA-Co-op-Publication-2013.pdf

I can't find any stats for Goodman's BBA/BAcc or MBA program like these (which isn't really a good sign...)
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To anon above you said to stop pattibg oursefs at the back for getting accepted, stfu, we have the right to feel happy to be accepted. Quit telling us wat to do kid
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Brock has the best business school in Canada. Better than Ivey/Queens/Schulich, etc. if you think otherwise then you are delusional.

BROCK IS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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LOL
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Wow, guys it's one thing to compare Brock and Mcmaster's undergraduate business programs, but MBA?? For an MBA reputation certainly matters and you're better off attending Canada's top MBA schools than either Brock or Mac.

If you're going to do MBA, go to Rotman, Schulich, Ivey, Queens, DeSautels or Sauder.


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Why? I've done DeGroote Commerce and DeGroote MBA and I'm in a really good spot right now, I thought both of these programs were excellent. You're clearly all talk and you're probably just a high schooler who actually knows nothing about these programs, but goes based off hearsay. I feel like I've said this a thousand times, but DeGroote's MBA offers fantastic opportunities and recruiters from firms such as KPMG visit the campus frequently allowing you to network whenever you can. DeGroote also has established alumni and is very reputable. In the end, you have to be in the top 10-15% of your class AND have the right skills to secure the best jobs ANYWHERE you go, and this stands with any school. I know many people who are in DeGroote who are just as well off as a person in Schulich/Queen's/Rotman. I also know people in Schulich who couldn't secure a job at all. Just because you've gotten into the program with high grades, it doesn't mean you're guaranteed anything (because other factors can play in such as competition, communication/leadership skills, etc.) and this stands with any university you go to. So can you tell me why you think this instead of just throwing it around on every forum without ACTUALLY being in the program?
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DeGroote was the first MBA program in Canada to establish co-op. Just a random fact.
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I'm in the JD/ MBA program at Osgoode Hall/ Schulich. Not going to argue with an anonymous person online, but I will point out that in the MBA programs at other schools I mentioned above (Rotman, Schulich, Queens, Ivey, Sauder, Desautels) you don't need to be in the top 10% to secure good employment. The international reputation of these MBA schools speaks for itself. People from Mac MBA may very well be successful from the program, but you have a better chance of achieving this success from an MBA program that is actual known outside of Ontario and Canada for that matter.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/careers/management/canadas-mba-problem-the-cutthroat-industry-of-business-schools/article23793772

An MBA is incredibly expensive and most people are not seeing the return on investment as they once used to. Thus it has become increasingly important to go to higher ranked MBA schools. Honestly, one does not get an MBA for the education. They get one for the reputation.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/29/best-universities-make-money_n_4682901.html

Best MBA programs to earn the most money in Canada (Source from Financial Times)


http://find-mba.com/lists/top-business-schools-by-location/top-10-mba-programs-in-canada

Top 10 MBA Programs in the Country


http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-ranking-2014

Global MBA Rankings from the Business Edition- Rotman (51), Schulich (66), UBC Sauder (72), McGill DeSautels (84), Ivey (89)


http://media.schulich.yorku.ca/media-releases/forbes-ranks-schulich-school-of-business-1-in-canada-for-mba-return-on-investment

Forbes Ranks Schulich School of Business #1 in Canada for MBA Return on Investment


http://www.mba50.com/mba50-com-premiership-2013-canadian-b-school-ranking-of-rankings

MBA50 Premiership 2013 – Canadian b-school ranking of rankings

Schulich, HEC Montreal, Rotman, Sauder, Desautels, Ivey


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/careers/business-education/queens-re-enters-the-financial-times-ranking-of-best-b-schools/article22642140

Six Canadian business schools made the 2015 Financial Times top-100 global list of full-time MBA programs. Rotman (53), UBC Sauder School of Business (81); Queen’s School of Business and the University of Alberta’s School of Business (tied at 86); The University of Western Ontario’s Ivey Business School (97) and McGill University’s Desautels Faculty of Management in Montreal (100)


All this is not to say that Mac's MBA is a bad program, but it comes after all of these better internationally recognized MBA schools.


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Wow recruitment from KPMG, must be the best business school ever, not like literally  every other firm has official recruitment from any of the big four, wow, that really sells Mac to me, must be the best b.school in Canada.
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I never said you need to be in the top 10-15% to secure a good job, I said one of the BEST jobs (which stands with any school). In which case, I also know people in DeGroote who secured good employment with decent grades too. This is all fine and dandy, but all I wanted to do was share my experiences with the people here who are considering McMaster, and I've never said that McMaster is superior to any of the said schools, all I'm trying to say is that DeGroote has great opportunities and is a great option for someone who wants to pursue a career path in business.
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*Sigh* Why does every thread on this website become some battle of the schools bs?
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Because teens are insecure
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Because business students are way too competitive
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I have a hard time believing that anyone who actual completed Mac's undergrad business program and MBA would compare it to other MBA schools at Rotman, Ivey, Schulich, etc. For an MBA reputation definitely matters. It sounds to me like either high schoolers going into Mac Commerce or first year Mac Commerce students getting so uptight and defensive. Just admit it that some schools are better than others for different programs.
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wow okay no one was trying to prove that Mac Commerce/MBA is better, this anon is just sharing their own experiences and showing why DeGroote is a GOOD SCHOOL, not that it's superior to any of the others. Reading comprehension really needs to be improved on these threads.
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Degroote is a good school. But why should one choose a good school, when there are great schools available?

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To each his/her own! Why should people on a forum dictate where other people should go? If someone wants to go to DeGroote which IS a great school, then by all means go ahead. Other factors can play in too such as campus, student life, costs, distance, etc. If someone wants to go to a Schulich/Ivey/Rotman then go ahead, but if someone wants to go to DeGroote then let them. As long as one works hard and works on their skills, they should excel anywhere they go.
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LOL, can we let this thread die already? I'd rather see a med school thread than one such as this comparing business schools.
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then get off this thread and go to a med school thread?
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Go eat a Mac burger you dimwit.


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LOL what a complainer, if you don't like it then leave lmao no one's forcing you to stay here, and I'll take the big mac please, can you place my order? I'm sure one day you'll be working at McDonalds anyway.
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To all the people saying DeGroote kids are being "Defensive". Think about what you're saying yourself. A lot of the degroote students are speaking from their actual experiences and how degroote DOES infact provide all these opportunities. Thats the whole purpose of this forum, to allow students who've been through the process to provide information for incoming high school applicants. Meanwhile, a majority of you just talk based on your OWN assumptions and bias & get defensive about your own program/beliefs. How can you complain when you're doing the exact same thing yourself. If all you're doing is saying things that you've heard or rephrasing things you read from other threads, then you aren't really speaking from your own experience. Graduate from high school first, then we'll talk.


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^ honestly couldn't have said it better myself. We're not trying to prove that DeGroote is superior to any of the other schools, we're just sharing our own experiences for the incoming high school students so that they can base their decision on some solid ground. We just want to prove that DeGroote really does have the great opportunities that they claim to have, and with some hard work, you'll land yourself in a good place.
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