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In the two or three weeks I have monitored this forum, I have noticed it is purely cyclic. The same questions are asked and the same answers given.

I will attempt to outline below some of the common things said about different business (and non-business) programs here on the business subforum.





York University's Schulich School of Business

- Is prestigious

- Admission average above 91 or 92, as a rule (the higher, the better). Supplementary form required

- Many top companies recruit at Schulich

- Good for accounting and marketing, not that good for finance

- The language and exchange options are great

- Low tuition

- The lack of co-operative education is not good

- Not many jobs available to undergraduate students, most are targeted at (i)MBAs

- York University is a dump

- Residences at York are bad for aforementioned reason

- Commuting is a nightmare

- iBBA lacks proper coverage of all languages it offers (personal note)

- The school lies about the ratio of people it accepts to the people it declines because it hides the number of people who rejected it (personal note)

- The 50/50 system they claim to implement is as well a lie. They look for presence of the supplementary form and accept people with the highest averages in order to raise the school's entering average (about which they will then brag (personal experience (my enrolment appointment (soon-to-be cancellation)))) (personal note)

- Many of the staff are cold and unfriendly (unfortunately, not a personal note)

- The school claims to emphasise clear speech and writing, yet abhorrent grammar is present in all its materials (e.g. "Impersonation - pretending your [sic] somebody else (the fact that this enrolment presentation was never deviated from, never corrected, does not make me feel good)) (not a personal note, witnessed by many others)

- Electives are silly (personal note)

- Personal experience: From my conversations with students, I realised that many use ridiculously high grades in humanities for their admission averages. 100s in Philosophy, Psychology, Gay & Lesbian Studies are common



York University's Bachelor of Administrative Studies

- Not a valuable degree, not something employers would look for
- York is still a dump
- Tuition is still low



Wilfrid Laurier University's Bachelor of Business Administration

- Admission cutoff 87 or thereabouts

- Not as prestigious as other schools

- Tuition is higher than that of certain business schools

- Excellent undergraduate staff who sort out every difficulty very quickly

- Co-operative education (if present) is very good and provides excellent job opportunities

- Underrated

- Beautiful campus

- Residences are often peaceful



Wilfrid Laurier University's/University of Waterloo's BBA/BMath

- Admission average in low 90s, 85% in both MHF4U and MCV4U

- The amount of work that has to be done is enormous

- The student is full-time at both universities, providing more job opportunities than ever; the UW side has better co-operative education, the WLU side has better scholarships (for 95%+, a potential $5000 per year from Laurier and $2000 from Waterloo)

- The Double Degree [sic] (double-word adjective requires hyphen between words) Club provides tools for surviving first year and beyond

- Certain companies (such as Goldman Sachs) target specifically double-degree students

- UW students have co-operative education start after first year, WLU after second year (summer jobs can be searched for, however, at both universities (the benefits of being a student at both))

- 60 spots available at each university

- students can specialise in each program




Wilfrid Laurier University's/University of Waterloo's BBA/CS

- Admission average is in low 90s

- 30 spots available at each university

- Same math courses taken (read above for BBA/BMath) for first two years, more difficult Computer Science Courses

- Stellar, new program in which technology firms (such as Microsoft) are keenly interested



Wilfrid Laurier University's BBA/BA (Financial Mathematics)

Admission average is in the high 80s to low 90s (as far as I know)

- More work than BBA, but not difficult

- The BA degree does not quite stand out, due to its association with varieties of disciplines



University of Waterloo's Math/CA

- Admission average in low 90s

- Very competitive

- Extremely high quality

- For some people, too specialised

- Around 50 spots (rumour (require confirmation))



University of Waterloo's Biotech/CA

- Admission average in low 90s

- Is not looked upon as equal to the Math/CA

- Might not help you find better jobs (depending on where you look)

- Around 50 spots (rumour (require confirmation))




University of Waterloo's Financial Analysis/Risk Management (FARM)

- Admission average in high 80s

- Option of Dubai

- Extremely specialised, not necessarily looked at favourably by potential employers

- Legendary Waterloo co-operative education available




University of Waterloo's AFM

- Admission average in low 90s, Euclid math contest recommended, AFMAA, AIF

- Waterloo co-operative education

- Fellowships

- Specialisations available

- Sought-after degree



University of Toronto's Rotman

- Admission average in high 80s, low 90s. Supplementary form that you have to purchase for $30 is required

- Not as much prestige as others

- No co-operative education option

- Downtown Toronto

- St. George is the best U of T campus

- Programs such as Trinity One available to incoming students




University of Ottawa's Telfer

- Admission average in middle 80s

- Not as much prestige as others

- In Ottawa (possibility to learn French, university will help you)

- Co-operative program available

- Thorough program, transfers available to many business schools if a person wants to graduate with more prestige

- Personal experience (experience of friend): Very good accounting program





University of Guelph's BComm

- Admission average in middle 80s

- Guelph tends to have an agricultural leaning

- Campus is very nice

- Does not have prestige (it is amusing how much this is used as an argument on these forums, probably more than 50% of the time)

- Co-operative education is available



Ryerson University's Ted Rogers

- Admission average in low-middle 80s

- Fairly standard program

- Internships available

- Not accredited (sources state they are likely to be accredited this year)




Nipissing University's School of Business

- Only as good as it needs to be (seems to be the consensus)



McMaster's Business 1

- Often compared to Brock's BAcc, however the general opinion is that it is better

- Internships available



Carleton University's Sprott School of Business

- Not often discussed, thought to be somewhere below McMaster, around the Brock BAcc

- Co-operative education available



Brock University

- BBA worse than BAcc

- Co-operative education available





The following has been submitted by Serendipity:

With the advent of all these biased opinions on "which school is better" I thought I'd do this community a favour and compile a "profile" for each school.
I will list facts, opinions will be marked with a *.

University of Western Ontario - Richard Ivey School of Business
Location: London, Ontario (population 352,395 in 2006)

Program information:
- Offers the HBA (Honours Business Administration) degree, length of degree is two years (HBA 1, HBA 2)
- Offers the AEO (Advanced Entry Opportunity) program, guarantees a spot in HBA1 for all AEO status holders who have:
& 80% cumulative average in the first two years of university (AEO1, AEO2)
& maintained extra curricular involvement in their first two years
& must get 70%+ in Business 2257
- Required to take 15.0 courses (12.0 credits) in your HBA1, HBA2 years
- Class size is increasing to 600 (or 650) students
- Applicants in 2010 ~2000 for AEO status
- Competitive average is 90%+ with decent extracurriculars (50% marks, 50% ECs weighting)
- Tuition cost is $45 000 for the two HBA years ($22 500ish yearly)
- Ivey provides ~ $5500 bursaries for financial aid
- Ivey uses the case study method, writes second most cases in the world

Placement Reports:
- Average Compensation: $61,099
- Percent Placed: 92%
Ivey HBA 2009-2010 Permanent Placement Report
Ivey HBA 2009-2010 Summer Placement Report

*Personal Notes:
- One of the largest alumni networks in Canada
- Has a terrific recruitment program in place
- Places well on Bay Street
- Allows for many double degree programs ( e.g. HBA+Law, HBA+Econ, HBA+Comp Sci)
- First round 2011 was March 30

Queen's University - Commerce
Location: Kingston, Ontario (population 117,207 in 2006)

Program Information:
- Offers the B. Comm degree, degree is high-school entry (4 years)
- Application minimum is 87%, with completion of the PSE (Personal Statement of Experience). PSE General contains 1 essay, Commerce requires an additional 2 essays.
- Requires a pass for continuation in the program (no mark below 50%)
- Grades are curved towards middle-high 70s
- Class size is 450 (2011), approximately 4500 applicants yearly
- * Apparently admissions works on this basis
& 87% cutoff for consideration
& Marks above 87% are considered equally? based on PSE to a degree
& PSEs are graded independently of grades
- Tuition cost is approximately $13 000/ yearly
- 80% of students are involved in student foreign exchange programs
- Will do 4.5 credits of Arts&Science Courses in addition to Commerce courses
- Uses a combination of traditional lectures and case studies for teaching

Placement Reports:
- Average Compensation: $53 190 + bonuses
- Percent Placed: 93%
Queen's Commerce 2010 Placement Report

*Personal Notes:
- Great recruitment and placement on Bay Street
- Well known brand in Canada
- Allows for international expertise through exchange programs (strongest commerce exchange program in Canada)
- Kind of confusing admissions process


McGill University - Desautels Faculty of Management
Location: Montreal, Quebec (population 1,620,693 in 2006)

Program Information:
- Offers the B. Comm degree, degree is high-school entry (4 years)
- Application cutoff runs around ~91%
- Requires a C or above in all non-elective classes (55%)
- Can choose to do two majors and a minor elective
- 35% of the class are internationals
- Majors are declared beginning in second year
- Accepts ~550 students yearly
- Tuition cost is approximately $5500/ yearly for out of province students
- Uses a combination of traditional lectures and case studies for teaching

Placement Reports:
- Average Compensation: $46 500 + bonuses
- Percent Placed: N/A
Desautels BComm 2010 Placement Report

*Personal Notes:
- Great campus, lot's of bars around McGill ;))
- A bit lower in the compensation range
- Consistently high admissions cut off
- Lower tuition than Ivey/Queen's
- Desautels name and McGill university name quite known in the US
- Places similar to Ivey/Queen's with US BBs
- Allows for international expertise through exchange programs
- Francophone city :/


End of Serendipity's contribution. Thank you to Serendipity for writing it, to johnnycanuck for referring me to it.




If you find a typographical error somewhere in this post, do tell me. Thank you.


I will leave you with the following:

"Algoma U's BBA is a well-respected business program known for quality graduates who are prepared for today's global economy."

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Thanks for the list, on a side note I'm like 95% sure Ryersons getting accredited this year, and for McMaster it's internships they offer not co-op. Hope it helps!
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@Sefear wrote
Thanks for the list, on a side note I'm like 95% sure Ryersons getting accredited this year, and for McMaster it's internships they offer not co-op. Hope it helps!



Thank you. I put the information in. If you have any more information about the Ryerson program, I will be glad to insert it.
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Despondent, check your private messages. Thanks!
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@amhsirak wrote
Despondent, check your private messages. Thanks!



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@Despondent wrote
iBBA lacks proper coverage of all languages it offers (personal note)


+1, this really bothers me about York in general
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Must we really argue the same things? This can go on for generations. I still ask for information - any information about any program.
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Sernedipity had a thread "Comprehensive...business.undergrad...WIP" with some filler in between- had lots of information on 4-5 programs, you could add some of that.
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If your aim is to have this thread stickied at the top of the business forum, you are going to be severely disappointed. Nice effort regardless.
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@g93 wrote
If your aim is to have this thread stickied at the top of the business forum, you are going to be severely disappointed. Nice effort regardless.




This forum is unmoderated. Such a scenario is not likely to play out. My aim is to bump it. Maybe somebody will do it later. I just hope to create something good. I will see what will happen.

I have added Serendipity's excellent notes on Ivey, Queen's, and McGill.
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Bump.
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