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Hey!
I'm in grade 11 and going into grade 12, as of now my marks have not been the best and I'm going to be starting to work efficiently and more productively. I've had bad study habits and have been procrastinating on work throughout grades 9-11 and thats reflected in my marks. 

My grade 11 marks:
were bad....

So clearly my marks aren't good and I know that i've been screwing up somewhere and i've realized that it's within my study habits. I just waste time browsing or watching videos that I start my work late and hence don't do well and don't get enough sleep. In the end im left without energy since i'm sleep deprived and can't adhere to the class lessons and knowledge being taught by my teachers. I think the studying environment maybe bad for me since i'm at home and surrounded by family, i think it would be better if I spent my time outside at say the Library working and studying to understand what I'm learning. 

I know that i'm a determined student, if I put my heart to it and considering the Grade 12 is the year that counts and is most important in my case - I will be working and giving my 100% at all times. 

I know that becoming an Ophthalmologist is not something that happens fast and takes time so I'm willing to dedicate myself to it now since i haven't dedicated myself to anything yet. I know that in the end it'll pay off and I'll be able to look back and see what I've achieved and come past. 

As a person, i'm very caring and like to work with people and learn more about them and try to help everyone that I can. I've always been like that and I think becoming some sort of Physician would be one of the best choice for me.

So yeah i'm just putting this question out there, do you think I can pull this off or would i be better off going into the Finance industry?
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You'd have to get way higher marks in grade 12
Like above 90 at least


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That's exactly what I'm aiming for and I'm sure thousands of others are as well...any ideas of what a good backup plan might be for someone going into Medicine?
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Maybe nursing? It's kinda related to medical stuff and easier
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^ Nursing is NOT easy.
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Yeah my mother just went back to school at 50 to complete her RPN (Practical nursing) and from reading over her material it's pretty complex. RPN's are getting more and more responsibility since the 3-year RN program has been phased out. Now there is just the 2-3 year RPN program and 4 year BScN/RN program. Nursing is difficult because there isn't always a clear cut right answer; all four answers to the question on an exam may be correct but one is more-correct. I'm probably not making any sense ahah
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Also her program had tons of male nurses- a lot of international students from West Africa.
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It's hard to say because high school performance has no correlation with ability to get into medical school and obtain an ophthalmology residency (which is one of the most competitive specialties, btw).

You say that you have what it takes but the objective evidence you've given us (your marks) say otherwise. No one here knows what you're truly capable of achieving since as you said so yourself, you've never tried. If we're supposed to predict based on your current marks, then no you have no chance of getting into med school. Whether or not you can actually improve your study habits and pull your marks up is up to you, nobody can predict whether or not you'll succeed. 
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That's true, I guess it all depends if I can put in the long hours to learn back the information that I didn't really take the time to understand and pick up. It's not that I wasn't interested, you can say I was being not myself and extremely lazy...following the wrong crowd is also one way to put it. I know that getting into Medical school is a very rigorous process but people say there are ways around it such as private medical schools? Also, after completing a 4 year undergrad and say I get rejected from a Canadian Medical school, what would be some other options/backups for a Science degree that I could pursue while applying for Medical School on the side <---- is that even possible?
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As someone who just graduated from an undergraduate science program and is trying to get into medical school, I'm going to give it to you straight.

99% chance you don't have what it takes to get into medical school, neither the dedication nor the science and math foundation. University level sciences get 10x harder than high school. Your marks indicate that you are not good at these subjects. Getting into med school is next to impossible now. Successful applicants spend years raising their GPA, committing to volunteer activities, research opportunities, MCAT studying, and pretty much anything else that can help them in the med school application process. Med school for you is a pipedream.

Strongly consider Nursing. It is in high demand, pays very well and doesn't require the educational commitment that med school takes.

But seeing as how you have barely passing marks in sciences and a 48% in Functions, I'm trying hard to see whether you are even someone who can succeed in a university environment. Finance is your alternative career option, but you do know that it is pretty much all math and calculus, right?

You need to broaden your perspective and figure out what your actual strengths are. If you aren't good at school, it's foolish to convince yourself otherwise. There are ways to help people in this society and nurture your talents and interests without going to university. Consider college programs, social work, people related business fields such as HR and Marketing, etc.

Now a lot of this is moot if you are actually a natural genius who will suddenly start getting 90+ in all your maths and sciences in Gr.12. If you are not one of these people, then do the smart thing for yourself and be very careful about what you go into. University is a lot of time, money and dedication. You don't want to be one of those people (and there are a lot of them), who gets accepted with 60s and 70s, and then kicked out of your program in first year.

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That was harsh but I guess it's somewhat true. I know I'm not a genius but I'm pretty close. All i have to do is put in the time and effort, If i start doing it in Grade 12 and in further years, would i not have a chance? Even if not Canadian Medical schools, how about private medical schools in foreign countries? Is there anyway to contact you say through Email, would be helpful to keep in contact with someone that has went through everything and to learn from them what they've done and went through...Please and thanks for your help!
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Take one or two courses in summer school. Work hard and see how you do. If you do well, then that is an indication that you may actually have what it takes to succeed in maths and sciences. Work hard in your first semester of Gr.12 as well, try to take most of your maths and sciences then. Assess how you do. If you do average or poorly, then that would tell you that maybe this isn't a good idea. As of right now, it is all speculation on what you're capable of. Make plans for yourself and see if you can achieve it.

You don't apply for university until end of December- early January. If you have an idea of your capabilities and grades by then, it would be beneficial. Then you can begin assessing which programs to go into and if you would be able to succeed in them.

But seriously, consider nursing. It is a field that requires patience and dedication to helping people. With all the baby boomers retiring, there is a lot of unfilled nursing positions available. You will be guaranteed a well-paying career upon graduation and can still go to med school with this degree.


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This guy is over exaggerating what he's saying don't listen to everything he's saying. You have a chance. I took applied math in high school, which I got 50-60's in. I got 50% in grade 11 physics, and 72% in biology and low 80 in chemistry.


Guess what?

I changed my study habits around as well as my lifestyle.

I don't play video games during school, I don't go out with friends and I deleted my social networking apps from my phone only during the semesters.


At University I did a course called math skills in order to make up for not doing pre-calculus and I got a 97% in it without ever taking pre-cal.

In University calculus 1 I got an A+, in calculus 2 I got an A+ and a 49/50 on the midterm.

I've gotten an A+ in organic chemistry, A+'s and A's in biology courses, A's in other chemistry courses.
A+'s in computer programming courses etc. 

I'm now at a 95.3% average in university from a low 80% in high school my high school marks were probably far more bleep than yours. 

You can make med school, make sacrifices, push yourself, have an athletes mentality, that every minute you study counts.

Best of luck! 









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You sir, is what the guy above said would be called a "natural genius." You honestly think that there are many others out there who can just change their study habits and start getting A/ A+ in all their university courses?


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^ The course that I've taken for summer school is Grade 12 English (U) so that I can have it out of the way. 

As for Grade 12 courses,
I've taken 
Grade 12 Biology, Chemistry, Environmental Sciences, Advanced Functions, Calculus/Vectors and French.

I can still take one more course or opt for a spare, what would be better in such a case, like mine?

I was also planning on getting involved in school but do you think I should not get to involved in such as that might distract my studies? Like say Student Council or Sports teams?

Do you think I would benefit from Tutoring lessons during this current strike, so i can learn back information that I may have missed? 
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can someone answer those questions, thanks!
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Is there an email i can contact you at...or do you frequently come on Yconic?
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I'm not comfortable providing my email since it has my full name in it and I wish to maintain my anonymity. But there are quite a few capable people here who can help you other than me. While yconic has a lot of trolls, when it comes down to it, some of the students here have invested a lot of time and energy into researching universities. They will also be able to offer better advice on how to succeed in high school since I'm so far removed from the process.

Don't waste money on tutoring right now. Take out some textbooks from the library and go through them at your own pace. Learn the material on your own.

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As a male and with all the stereotypes against Male Nurses...it just won't be a suitable and comfortable job for me. I'd rather work my butt off to become a physician and improve myself and my knowledge by working extremely hard.
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If that is how you view things, I don't believe you are deserving let alone capable of becoming a doctor, optometrist, health care professional etc.
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I think you shouldn't focus on that too much. If that was the case, then women shouldn't go into engineering because of the similar challenges they face, should they?  You also say that you want to help people. Nurses actually are the ones who get to deal directly with patients more in a hospital setting. There are also many types of nurses so if you're worried about pay, there are varying levels of study for nurses that can increase pay.
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^ Mr. Anonymous, what were your Grade 11 marks compared to Grade 12 marks...I know it's been a long time since highschool for you so approximately what were your marks and the courses you had taken?
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Male nurses get first priority over female nurses in job hiring and get a higher salary as well. You can be easily making over a 100k and you want to give that up because of misguided "stereotypes?"
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Not that i'm giving myself into the stereotypes...it's just that I haven't really looked into it but will give it a consideration. Would that be a good backup? Say not making medical school and spending 4 years in a science degree and then pursue nursing? Is that possible, or would the other way around be better... take a nursing program in University and spend 4 years in such a program and then apply to medical school and if i'm rejected, go onto becoming a RN (registered nurse)? 

If you had a chance to start from the beginning, would you become a Male Nurse then spend the time and put in the effort into becoming a physician?
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Do a Master's in Nursing and become a Nurse Practioner if medical school does not work out.
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You have no proof that you have what it takes atm and just saying that you'll work harder in the future is unreliable as work habits aren't developed overtime. Good luck though.
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Thanks and yes i've already started working towards my goal. I've been able to go over the Grade 11 textbooks and learn back the information missed. I'm understanding the knowledge but it's just that my marks won't show it since i've done poorly throughout the year. I'm going over tests and rewriting them and re-writing notes to better understand them. I think i'll be able to do it but yeah I guess i shouldn't waste time talking and should get back to studying! I'm taking a study break atm, and this is exactly what I do during my study breaks, what to do :((
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I'm not at all trying to discourage you, this is my insight. I've been able to achieve high 90s in highschool with little effort. My top six this year was a 97.8%, however I know for a fact when I go to university there will many others much brighter. I'll need to work twice as hard as them in order to achieve the same grade. So imagine; if you're struggling now, you truly have a long road ahead of you. Focus on one thing at a time, medical school is a feat in itself and the statistics are against even the most brilliant students. Just be realistic.
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Where are you headed and is med school your goal? Did you get into Mac Health Sci?


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Yeah medical school is certainly my goal. I was admitted into Health Sci last week (May 5).

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I could've also achieved those 90s throughout high school but I haven't been putting in the time or effort. Like it's 0 effort till now...I know I can make it, i know there are a lot of people competing but hey that's life...if I don't make medical school here, what if I choose to go to a Medical School in a foreign place say Ireland, Poland or the Caribbean?
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Since you got into Mac Health Science, there is no question about it that with the right effort, you'll get into Ontario med schools. The class averages in that program range from A- to A.


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If you study abroad, don't expect to be able to come back to Canada and practice medicine, even if you pass the exams, finding residency is next to impossible. Since Canadian students have precedence.
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Care to share your study routine, tips, or advice?
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Yeah, study smart not hard. If you don't understand something during the lesson read the chapter in the textbook which goes into great depth and conveys information far better than most high school teachers. Don't cram until the last day, plan your studying, for instance I'll study for a chemistry test 3 days in advance for 1 hour each day, I also use a timer and when I find I'm beginning to lose focus I'll add time to the timer to account for this. Turn off your phone and put it far away, this reduces temptation. Also figure out the way that YOU learn best, I personally am and auditory learner so re-writing information in the form of a review is useless. Instead I make a list of concepts I feel unsure or don't fully understand and I'll read the textbook, I'll re-read it in my head or out loud until I finally grasp the concept. Just focus on understanding information rather than memorizing, even exercise science which I thought would be purely memorization, I found myself linking concepts to biology which in turn enabled me to retain tedious anatomical features (I currently have a 100% in the course). I consider little effort to be 3 hours spread out over 3 days, which really doesn't feel like much. Compared to classmates who study 4-5 hours the night before tests but in reality they've done 1/3 of the studying I've done because of procrastination and loss of concentration. Also writing tests is an art, the less stressed out and confident you are the better you'll do. Forgive me for improper grammar and spelling mistakes, I typed this over my phone and I really don't feel inclined to proof read it.
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^my math Mark went from a 75 to a 90 because of this
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Everest College

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No thanks
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R u sure
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Dental School and Grad school is also another option isn't it? It's not like it's easy to make those but it's easier to get into those than Medical School right?
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It's harder to get into dental school than medicine because they strictly focus on your GPA and DAT score. You know what, ask your questions here:

http://forums.premed101.com/


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So you guys are saying its nearly impossible for me to make it through it all?...
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Dude, it doesn't matter what we say. Do what you gotta do. All we see is you failing math and gettings 60s in all your other courses. How else can we judge your success?

You sound extremely naive and only wanting to pursue a career that you believe is prestigious.

Go ask your questions on premed101 because that's where actual med students are at.


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I guess i've grown up just listening to others and following what others have to say, probably why I'm struggling atm to decide what i should do with my life. I have a passion for both Business/Accounting and Medicine...my sister is also going into medicine and my brother. I'm like the one stuck in the middle of choosing and i'm trying to get back on track...
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It will be extremely difficult to simply "try" all of a sudden in grade 12 to be honest. Being on top of your classes and putting in effort is part of being smart. Smart people will spend those times and effort. You can't really all of a sudden "try" and get high grades. There's definitely a limit to that, especially because for some courses, grade 11 materials lead into grade 12 materials. However, good luck with your studies.
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Thanks for the advice, but what if I can cram and gain the knowledge of Grade 11 that I've missed out? Wouldn't that make my chances at doing well in Grade 12 higher. Aiming for 90's is what i'm going to do but what if I get at least an 80% average and apply to one of the low cut off universities where I'll be able to do better say like Laurier Health Sciences, Trent Biology, Brock BioMed, Guelph BioMed... then again over the summer before Universities i'll be able to review and be on par with other students... does that sound like a good plan?
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I'm not going to simply "try", i'm going to spend numerous hours in the library and avoid giving myself leisure time and by so gain back the knowledge that I've missed. I'm also going to get the help of a local Tutor and family members for that stuff that I may not understand or need help with.
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Hey,
Regarding your marks looks like you're doing good in anthropology.
If not medicine, how about psychology? 
You can get a phD and become a psychologist... it's different from a psychiatrist however, in a way similar. 
Also, I can see that you're willing to bring your marks up, but I'll just rip the band aid off and say no I do not think you can do it. Med school is a long shot. Try something that is going to benefit you: set yourself up for success. 
IF you think you're capable of putting in the effort and bringing up your marks then go for it, the [sky] is the limit, but beware you are being strongly being suggested not to from people who have insight. It's different to say you can do something than actually doing it. I'll use myself as an example: SPH3U = SO BAD. then SPH4U = TERRIBLE. I put 100% effort in my work ethic, but I JUST couldn't get it, do something you understand and what you're passionate about. GOOD LUCK! 
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So what're you doing now after doing bad in Grade 11 Bio and Grade 12 Bio? Were you on the same boat as me, looking to get into Medical School?
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I'm the anon: 
That wasn't bio, it was physics.
Yeah I'm going to York next year (in grade 12) currently. 
Thinking about Kin. Maybe if you bring your marks up to 80% you can apply to universities such as York, and figure out your path from there. 
No medical school is not for me, too much time and effort.
Also I see you have been ignoring everyones comment unless they are about med school. You need to be open-minded to other fields and not just burn out for one thing, if you can't do it now you won't be able to do it later. 
I knew someone in grade 11, her marks were terrible. She didn't try just like you said you didn't. She wanted to go into med school. She believed she would do better next year and put in the effort and everything. Great? No, grade 12 came and she was the same person in grade 11, her poor work ethic from the preceding years were still evident. You can't just magically change over a span of 2 months (summer). You need these skills and need to be able to build on them. 
DISCLAIMER: I don't mean to burst your bubble, but please think realistically. 

P.S Your study break is over, and remember you're still a superstar. :)
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"So clearly my marks aren't good and I know that i've been screwing up somewhere and i've realized that it's within my study habits. I just waste time browsing or watching videos that I start my work late and hence don't do well and don't get enough sleep. In the end im left without energy since i'm sleep deprived and can't adhere to the class lessons and knowledge being taught by my teachers. I think the studying environment maybe bad for me since i'm at home and surrounded by family, i think it would be better if I spent my time outside at say the Library working and studying to understand what I'm learning."

"As a person, i'm very caring and like to work with people and learn more about them and try to help everyone that I can. I've always been like that and I think becoming some sort of Physician would be one of the best choice for me." 

bad study habits + passionate about caring about others = BIG NO NO FOR MED SCHOOL. 

Just consider being a nurse because it looks more realistic for you, also if you think you're excelling in the nursing program you can apply for a masters and become a nurse practitioner > Higher level nurse and you can prescribe medicine! (hint hint: doctor stuff!) 

Talk to your family, friends, teachers, and guidance. Set up a plan. Achieve it. Live happy! 
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I feel like everyone is treating me like a dumbas* because of my marks, I'm not that though... in previous years (9,10) i've maintained close to a 95 average and I know i can work hard and achieve those 80's and 90's, I just didn't do good this year because I was to busy focusing on creating an "Identity" for myself and I was also going through Social Anxiety / Depression. I came here for advice and everyones saying I should go the easier path and become a nurse... I've realized recently that i've messed up in Grade 11 and that I need to fix myself. Please advice of ways that I can improve on myself, I'm looking to apply to York/Laurier/Trent and maintain a high GPA and then apply to Medical School/Grad School..


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You say that you got 95 average in grades 9 and 10 but your original post says your marks are reflected on your poor work habits?
I'm confused. 
If you believe in yourself, then just do it. Ignore what others say and prove them wrong. 
Now stop stressing, and making up excuses, and work hard + hope for the best. 
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Hmm that's good advice. I understand that Math and Science aren't easy but I do find them easy when I actually put in the work. I can just breeze through my textbook and notes and can get that 90% on tests/quizzes. But i get distracted by my family members and other activities. That's what i'm trying to change about myself. But brother/sister, what is your plans after Law School - are you going to become a Lawyer and specialize in a certain law speciality or are you going to open your own practice? How does that work and how many years will it take and what is the debt and starting salary of a lawyer with such a degree? May I also know what school you attend? Please help me out, i'd like to look into other possible career choices as well just incase. Thanks!
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Omg you remind me of myself lol... I've been struggling with SAD/Depression for years now, but am finding it especially hard this year, during grade 11! After 1st/2nd semester midterms, my marks just plummeted, mid to high 90s turned to 80s as I can't find it in myself to put in the needed effort. Like you, I know I'm not a "dumbas$," there's plenty of things going on in my life, like yours I'm sure (part of the SAD life lol), and I know that's no excuse because chances are we'll have the same problems next year during grade 12!  
Maybe it is time for a reality check, I'm not trying to discourage you but instead asking you to be realistic and think ahead... I mean, what happens if your SAD/Depression comes back/gets worse? 
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Exactly what im going through...do you attend peel? I don't know I think if I work hard enough I can reach my goals and that is to become a physician or at least attend Professional/Grad School. It's what my parents want me to do and what I want to do. If i can make it through, it will be so rewarding! If i don't mind asking, what have you planned on going into?
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Attended peel till the end of grade 7, then I moved and attended york. It's worth going for, work to your true capabilities next year and then ask yourself whether or not you think you can truly make it. Honestly, I have no clue what I'm going to do lol... Initially planned on going into business (specifically accounting) since everyone told me that I would excel in it, but now I feel as if business is to competitive for me. Plus I don't want to start a family when I'm in my mid 30s and my uterus is like all shriveled up because I was to busy with work. I'm now considering nursing!
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Something I learned a lot time ago bro, is to focus on yourself. I used to have a lot of issues and drama with friends, family and others. I cut everything out of my life, moved away for a bit to live on my own and focused solely on myself and my grades. I am now in professional school and it was well worth it. You need to realize that all the shyt you're going through is pointless. Why are you feeling sad and depressed? Go and stay in Cuba or China for a month and you'll realize how small your world really is.

Drop all your waste friends in school, right now. They're not worth it. I don't talk to anyone from high school anymore. Look at the bigger picture. You need people in your life who will mentally stimulate you and challenge your intelligence, not bring you down to their level. If family is stressing you, then screw them. This is your life and you do what you got to do.


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"screw them" seriously?
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Hey, this is exactly what i'm planning on doing next year...I'm gonna stay close with those that actually help me out and try to steer me correctly. I've wasted 3 years of highschool with kids that haven't helped me be who I really am. I've also thought about changing schools for the last year since that would give me time to focus on my self and my marks. I think it would help, I really need to get out of the Highschool drama and focus on my life. This is the last year that counts and i'm going to make it count so I can go on to doing what I want to do.
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A lot of people are brought down by their families. You can still be there for them when they need you, but for now as you are growing and trying to create a path for yourself, sometimes it is best to distance yourself from them.


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Mind me asking, but what friend drama are you talking about lol
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