I am going into grade 12 and interested in business.
The title already says it all. I have heard a lot of good and bad things about these schools as well as many different points of view. Could you please tell me your preference in regard to any aspect of school and why.
The ultimate goal of attending a university is to land a job. Therefore, please address about the job placements after graduation.
Please be simple and unbiased as much as possible. Real personal experiences are highly preferred. If using any source on the internet, please be selective. No rage war and stay on the subject please.
Hey everyone! I started this thread to answer questions from the potential class of 2017, and to keep all of the University of Toronto-related items in one place.
I'm a first year engineering student at the University of Toronto and I'm currently studying electrical/computer engineering (same courses as TrackOne). I commute to school every day, so I can't really answer that many questions about residence, but I'm sure others will be willing to chime in on that.
Sadly I go to a small private school that focuses more on academics than extracurriculars. Currently I hold a 90 average and want to go to Queens for Commerce.
My extracurriculars currently are:
I work 24 hours a week in my parent's small business (2 years).
I am the treasurer at my school (3 years).
Soccer (8 years).
Side note: Its very difficult for me to find extracurriculars in my area (GTA). This is because I am not able to look for leadership roles within my city :/. If anyone can give me ideas on where to volunteer it would be great. Any help is appreciated.
- My school does not offer any sports sadly.
-My school does not offer mentoring to younger ages.
- In other words, my school doesn't offer any extracurriculars.
I would want to join DECA but my school also does not offer it.
"I got into medicine this year and decided to choose Western (waitlisted at Toronto). But I know, off the top of my head, at least 6-8 Western grads with 4.0s applying next year - and through a family friend at Health Sci at MAC - close to 40 or so in that program alone that will likely have 4.0s when applying as 4th years and 3rd years. So in my opinion, unless UofT starts ranking undergrad program difficulty, or using the MCAT beyond just a simple screen - the average GPA will rise a bit. Remember...the 3.96 GPA average includes graduate students, where a lower GPA is acceptable. Almost all undergrads (NOT ALL), had basically 4.0s. I got waitlisted, and the only people in my circle that got in were 4.0 wGPA (a few did have one or two courses less than 90 - but those were removed).
This is, of course, due to massive grade inflation, removal of prerequisites (to appease the 'progressive' masses), mass technology based exam cheating in some cases among some 'groups', and professors caving in to whiny undergrads (to be fair - at times I was one of those). The MCAT was also sort of ruined because of ease of taking multiple attempts and the short nature of the exam - I suspect the new exam may change that. I've always been amazed at the hate I've received for basically stating some of these pretty obvious trends...but here we are...an average GPA of 3.96 at UofT meds. A cutoff for interview of over 93% for dentists at Saskatchewan (which would exclude all McGill graduates, as the highest mark you can get at McGill converts to a 93%). A medical school (western) that has a 12 cutoff for biology. And the program that started this all??
MCMASTER HEALTH SCIENCES
I pity those that do take challenging undergraduate programs in this country. Engineering science at Toronto? Those students are almost all brilliant - and yet an insane drop out rate and low class averages. Waterloo engineering programs? Virtually all UofT science undergrad programs at St George campus. McGill science programs. These students actually have high standards to receive good marks - and there is genuine vigour and standards. Mac Health Sciences? Lovey dovey classes with 4.0s for everyone - it's as if Oprah Winfrey is the dean there.
And once again - not an attack on Health Science Students - they are simply taking advantage of a good situation. The blame is on the academic practices of McMaster."
I am entering my final semester at UTSC's Co-op Management Program as an Accounting and Management Specialist. I'm here to answer any questions or concerns that you may have about entering university or the future prospects of this program. I know that university applications are around the corner, I hope I can inspire and bring ease to your stressed situations as well.
General Overview of the Program and Faculty
-Students are from all backgrounds and there is a sizeable portion of international students.
-There are different clubs and associations both business and non-business on campus (fraternities, dance crews, music, sports etc). For business, the main clubs are the MESA, Investment Society and DECA which hosts many different events such as cases and other competitions.
-Management professors are highly qualified ranging from current positions as Partners at Big4 to CFOs of large companies. Teaching qualities will always range differently in every person. In all universities, there will always be professors that will be good or bad. However, think of this as a way of training yourself. Your going to meet good and bad people in life, mind as well start now.
-There are 3 categories of students in UTSC Management: Co-op students, regular management and pre-management that will all obtain the BBA degree. All students (cept Pre-Management "see below") can pursue specialists in accounting, finance, HR, management, marketing, IT, international business etc.
Co-op Students: Gets Co-op workterms. The number of workterms range anywhere from 3-6 4 months work term. Usually it's 3 workterms but arrangements can be made to have up to 6 workterms. (I've friends that had 4-6 workterms before)
Regular Management Students: Students donot have a co-op option but can pursue to enroll in the Co-op program between 1st and 2nd year internally. The general average CGPA is 3.5 to 3.7 cutoff. However, Co-op department will look at your resume and interview as major deciding factors.
Pre-Management Students: Students that are not part of the BBA program yet. These students are generally considered take the same courses as Regular Management/ Co-op Students during first year. Depending if they meet a certain cutoff in CGPA they will be then be accepted into the BBA program as a Regular Management Student or may also apply in the Co-op Program as well.
A little inspiration for some of you Pre-Management Students: When I first joined University, I met an upper year Accounting student whom later became my Mentor. He shared with me a powerful story of success.
During my mentor’s first year at UTSC, he started off as a Pre-Management student. Now as mentioned in UTSC there are 3 categories and as much as students can be mature, there is some degree of superiority or sense of pride as human beings. So as a Pre-Management student in first year, things seemed tough for him. However, he didn’t give up despite the fact that it seemed that many people are already miles ahead of him. In fact, he studied hard and eventually, he went from Pre-management to Co-op after first year and today he's on the verge of getting his CA,CPA designation. The moral of the story? Work hard and never give up and don't let anyone tell you what you cannot do!
General questions that that you may have:
Registration & Application
1) What are the averages that students typically enter with?
The average is generally high 80s to low 90s. However marks are never the only determining factor in any business programs. Most business programs like Queens, Schulich, Rotman and UTSC all generally require an additional application that asks candidates to list their extracurriculars and experiences so everyone has a potential chance.
Note: For International Business Co-op Program which is part of the BBA at UTSC, its' generally higher average requirement and also demands more admission processes (interviews).
2) I'm afraid that my average isn't on par, should I take the chance to still register?
In UTSC Management Program, there are "3" levels. Pre-management, Management and Co-op Management. Generally students that do not get acceptance from Co-op Management would get an alternate offer in regular Management and the chain goes down from there. In other words, there is a potential opportunity for you to still get accepted to UTSC even if your primary choice is not chosen.
3) I got accepted in the program but I’m afraid my average would fall. Should I take my chances?
As mentioned UTSC has 3 levels of management students. There is a potential chance that they may provide alternative offers.
4) Residence and Tuition Fees
The Residence on campus is generally given priority to International students and first years. However there are many houses and apartments near the campus which would be easier to find.
Tuition fee is indeed expensive compared to other universities but UofT does provide financial assistance (UTAPS) and bursaries depending on your financial status. A portion of Co-ops can actually pay off all their tuition and fund themselves through university with just co-op money but it generally depends on their Co-op salary and number of terms. Co-ops can make anywhere from nothing to $40/hr. Again none of these are guarantees.
1) Is it hard to obtain grades?
The course average generally ranges from C to B- (63-73%) in all courses from first year to forth year with exceptions of the occasional B average in very few courses. The average number of students getting 80 and above is generally 10-20% of the class. Although statistically, this may seem hard and unfair, you have to keep in mind that this is UofT. Averages and standards need to be kept to maintain reputation and quality of students.
Note: The general program requirement to stay inside the BBA is found on UTSC’s website
A little inspiration for some of you Students with poor grades: Now I know many students have one central mentality that grades are the absolute key to getting jobs after graduation or during co-op. But let me share you a story of a friend.
So during my first co-op at an interview, I met a 2nd year student (entering 3rd year) whom just got enrolled into Co-op and it was also his first time seeking co-op jobs work as well. Eventually it turns out that him and I got the same job in the same company at a consulting firm and we worked together. But as I got to know him more, I found out that he actually had a CGPA less than 3.0 but what gotten him the same job as me was that he had experience in Part-Time at several financial institutions and his personality. At that moment I learned that grades are not the only factors that determine your success. In fact, today he is in investment banking at a reputable financial institution. The moral of this story is that no letters can define how your future would be.
2) Is it hard to get Co-op jobs?
It really depends on the roles and positions that you are applying to and your resume, coverletter and interview performance. To be honest, I had friends that applied to one job and got an offer while others apply for 30-40 jobs and never received any interviews. There is never an exact answer.
If you don’t get a co-op job during a designated workterm (Designated workterm: A schedule that a co-op student picks to have a workterm in), you will have to speak with the Co-op department to request deferrals.
3) What companies are there and the level of competition?
There are many recruiting companies such as Big4, Big 5 Banks, Investment Banks, Management Consulting firms, Government business and organization (Utilities, transportation, commissions etc), technology, retail, commercial etc. In addition to these larger and well known employers, many students also apply to small and medium companies.
The level of competition is fairly high for larger companies which is logical because all students generally apply to them. A general tip would be to apply for large companies that are further away from Toronto area and apply in other provinces/countries or simply apply for smaller companies. It’s experience that matters so make sure the co-op jobs you work will bring you knowledge and experience.
So what is your my story?
I actually was never a top student in high school or was ever anyone extraordinary. I entered in university with mid-high 80s in the Co-op program. However throughout my early years, I was constantly competing with people that seemed much smarter and better than me in every way. At around times of job search, I would literally apply to 50-60 jobs but only get maybe 10-12 interviews with 1-2 job offers that aren’t generally my top choices. In fact at times, I even doubted myself since I would constantly place many more hours than my peers in my studies but only get average grades or even less than average.
And when time came to choose my specialist 2-3rd year, I had no idea what to choose. In fact accounting courses had always been my lowest grade and had gotten me the worse gpa drops ever. But in life, sometimes its’ not the number of trophies or medals you win but how many times you can get back up.
So I worked hard and I continued to preserve. When people studied 1 hr, I studied 3. When people apply for 10 jobs, I applied for 30. When companies reject me, I still keep trying. Today, I have worked at a major consulting firm, the government, and a major financial institution. Also, I now T.A for first, second and third year courses in Finance, Management and Accounting and served as executives for several large student associations.
I am still constantly learning and do make mistakes and encounter failures from time to time but it is all part of being a university student. I think the following below are things that helped me throughout my past 4 years:
1) Be nice, respect and diplomatic to everyone
2) Be strong because there will always be obstacles and road blocks
3) Always ask questions to Profs and TAs whenever you do not understand anything
4) Be humble and patient
Thanks for reading. I wish you all best of luck and I will be available to answer your questions as much as I can before August ends.
I relatively new to this forum site and from what I have seen all everyone on here cares about is prestige, putting people down, and picking jobs that only make more than 500 000. The business students are the worst!!
Is that all you really care about? I read someone (a business student) recently say that engineers can only make 250 000..... yeah ONLY. Life isn't all about money. Have you ever though about the toll, stress, and time that high paying salaries can take. I hate you little high school students who think just because you go to queens or lvey you will be handed a half million dollar salary...like? You all think you are the only business students well there are thousands of other graduating at the same time and they all think they will be multi millionaire CEO's. Wake and see the real lyfe.
Earlier in the year ubc vancouver was unable to offer me admission since my first semester grades weren't the best but my second semester grades were significantly better. thankfully since they check final grades at the end of July I guess they revoked a number of people. They emailed me yesterday saying how they thought my final grades were good and asked me if I still wanted admission. The thing is I'm really conflicted right now because for half a year I thought I'd be going to SFU. Now I don't know what I should do. Any advice?
Is it possible for me to study electrical engineering as an undergraduate and then pursue graduate studies in particle physics or quantum mechanics? Should I minor in physics or math if I want to do this?
I am going into grade 12 next year in BC. Other than math and sciences, I have space for one elective. I couldn't get into Law or Accounting because of timetable conflicts and have to take Peer Tutoring as an alternative. But I can switch to something else if it fits. I was wondering if Psychology 11 or 12 is worth taking? Will it be helpful if I am going on to Pharmacy after completing science prerequisites? Any experiences and is it a lot of work?
I'm going into Ryerson Eng next year and the curriculum includes a course in which you program in the C language. Now I don't know rats arse about programming and was hoping to learn during the summer. I watched a few YouTube videos, but get lost . I checked out Code Academy but Code Academy doesn't have C programming.
Can anyone link some resources through which I can learn through? YouTube videos or a website similar to Code Academy ? Also whats a good C language compiler?